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bsonposh
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| To be honest... Bruce Payette is a great one for Beginners.
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-PowerShell-Action-Bruce-Payette/dp/1932394907/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203961635&sr=1-1
Great Blog Series
Effective PowerShell Series
http://keithhill.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5A8D2641E0963A97!788.entry
Some other good resources
community Sites
http://www.powershellcommunity.org
http://www.powershellcentral.com
Powershell Guide:
http://www.codeplex.com/PsObject/Wiki/View.aspx?title=PSH%20Community%20Guide&referringTitle=Home
Books
Powershell in Action
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-PowerShell-Action-Bruce-Payette/dp/1932394907/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203961635&sr=1-1
Windows Powershell Cookbook
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-PowerShell-Cookbook-Exchange-2007/dp/0596528493/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203961635&sr=1-3
Powershell TFM
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-PowerShell-v1-0-TFM-2nd/dp/0977659763/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203961635&sr=1-7
FREE! Quest AD CMDLets
http://www.quest.com/activeroles-server/arms.aspx
Great Powershell and Group Policy Tool
http://www.specopssoft.com/powershell/
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks
[MVP] <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
> <cough>www.amazon.com<cough>
>
> Okay so tell me what to buy. I have MSpress's two powershell books,
> PowerShell programming for absolute beginners on it's way. What else? Or
> is that enough to start?
>
>
> Brandon Shell wrote:
>
> That is not a WMI thing... That is a vbscript thing.
>
> IMO:
> Pick a languages (Powershell of course  )
> Learn basic WMI design (how it works generically)
> Learn basic .NET
> Your golden. Plenty of examples and people to ask questions of
> <cough>me</cough>
>
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks
> [MVP] <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > We call that a wizard in SBSland. ;-)
> >
> > Okay but what if one wants to better understand that strComputer = "."
> > means set to local computer. Which place/SDK/book/msdn site is the best
> > place to better understand what scriptomatic is doing? (besides googling
> > each term)?
> >
> >
> >
> > joe wrote:
> >
> > I have found Scriptomatic to be pretty helpful for finding stuff in the
> > WMI arena. It also generates perl script for you.
> >
> > Created in seconds....
> >
> > use strict;
> > use Win32: LE('in');
> >
> > use constant wbemFlagReturnImmediately => 0x10;
> > use constant wbemFlagForwardOnly => 0x20;
> >
> > my @computers = ("SFMXP32");
> > foreach my $computer (@computers) {
> > print "\n";
> > print "==========================================\n";
> > print "Computer: $computer\n";
> > print "==========================================\n";
> >
> > my $objWMIService =
> > Win32:LE->GetObject("winmgmts:\\\\$computer\\root\\CIMV2") or die "WMI
> > connection failed.\n";
> > my $colItems = $objWMIService->ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
> > Win32_Process", "WQL",
> > wbemFlagReturnImmediately | wbemFlagForwardOnly);
> >
> > foreach my $objItem (in $colItems) {
> > print "Caption: $objItem->{Caption}\n";
> > print "CommandLine: $objItem->{CommandLine}\n";
> > print "CreationClassName: $objItem->{CreationClassName}\n";
> > print "CreationDate: $objItem->{CreationDate}\n";
> > print "CSCreationClassName: $objItem->{CSCreationClassName}\n";
> > print "CSName: $objItem->{CSName}\n";
> > print "Description: $objItem->{Description}\n";
> > print "ExecutablePath: $objItem->{ExecutablePath}\n";
> > print "ExecutionState: $objItem->{ExecutionState}\n";
> > print "Handle: $objItem->{Handle}\n";
> > print "HandleCount: $objItem->{HandleCount}\n";
> > print "InstallDate: $objItem->{InstallDate}\n";
> > print "KernelModeTime: $objItem->{KernelModeTime}\n";
> > print "MaximumWorkingSetSize:
> > $objItem->{MaximumWorkingSetSize}\n";
> > print "MinimumWorkingSetSize:
> > $objItem->{MinimumWorkingSetSize}\n";
> > print "Name: $objItem->{Name}\n";
> > print "OSCreationClassName: $objItem->{OSCreationClassName}\n";
> > print "OSName: $objItem->{OSName}\n";
> > print "OtherOperationCount: $objItem->{OtherOperationCount}\n";
> > print "OtherTransferCount: $objItem->{OtherTransferCount}\n";
> > print "PageFaults: $objItem->{PageFaults}\n";
> > print "PageFileUsage: $objItem->{PageFileUsage}\n";
> > print "ParentProcessId: $objItem->{ParentProcessId}\n";
> > print "PeakPageFileUsage: $objItem->{PeakPageFileUsage}\n";
> > print "PeakVirtualSize: $objItem->{PeakVirtualSize}\n";
> > print "PeakWorkingSetSize: $objItem->{PeakWorkingSetSize}\n";
> > print "Priority: $objItem->{Priority}\n";
> > print "PrivatePageCount: $objItem->{PrivatePageCount}\n";
> > print "ProcessId: $objItem->{ProcessId}\n";
> > print "QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage:
> > $objItem->{QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage}\n";
> > print "QuotaPagedPoolUsage: $objItem->{QuotaPagedPoolUsage}\n";
> > print "QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage:
> > $objItem->{QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage}\n";
> > print "QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage:
> > $objItem->{QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage}\n";
> > print "ReadOperationCount: $objItem->{ReadOperationCount}\n";
> > print "ReadTransferCount: $objItem->{ReadTransferCount}\n";
> > print "SessionId: $objItem->{SessionId}\n";
> > print "Status: $objItem->{Status}\n";
> > print "TerminationDate: $objItem->{TerminationDate}\n";
> > print "ThreadCount: $objItem->{ThreadCount}\n";
> > print "UserModeTime: $objItem->{UserModeTime}\n";
> > print "VirtualSize: $objItem->{VirtualSize}\n";
> > print "WindowsVersion: $objItem->{WindowsVersion}\n";
> > print "WorkingSetSize: $objItem->{WorkingSetSize}\n";
> > print "WriteOperationCount: $objItem->{WriteOperationCount}\n";
> > print "WriteTransferCount: $objItem->{WriteTransferCount}\n";
> > print "\n";
> > }
> > }sub WMIDateStringToDate(strDate)
> > {
> > return "blah";
> > }
> > Oh you want Python instead???
> >
> > import win32com.client
> > def WMIDateStringToDate(dtmDate):
> > strDateTime = ""
> > if (dtmDateΒ] == 0):
> > strDateTime = dtmDateΓ] + '/'
> > else:
> > strDateTime = dtmDateΒ] + dtmDateΓ] + '/'
> > if (dtmDateΔ] == 0):
> > strDateTime = strDateTime + dtmDateΕ] + '/'
> > else:
> > strDateTime = strDateTime + dtmDateΔ] + dtmDateΕ] + '/'
> > strDateTime = strDateTime + dtmDateΎ] + dtmDateΏ] + dtmDateΐ]
> > + dtmDateΑ] + " " + dtmDateΖ] + dtmDateΗ] + ":" + dtmDate⎖] +
> > dtmDate⎗] +':' + dtmDate⎘] + dtmDate⎙]
> > return strDateTime
> >
> > strComputer = "."
> > objWMIService = win32com.client.Dispatch("WbemScripting.SWbemLocator")
> > objSWbemServices = objWMIService.ConnectServer(strComputer,"root\cimv2")
> > colItems = objSWbemServices.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM Win32_Process")
> > for objItem in colItems:
> > if objItem.Caption != None:
> > print "Caption:" + ` objItem.Caption`
> > if objItem.CommandLine != None:
> > print "CommandLine:" + ` objItem.CommandLine`
> > if objItem.CreationClassName != None:
> > print "CreationClassName:" + ` objItem.CreationClassName`
> > if objItem.CreationDate != None:
> > print "CreationDate:" +
> > WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.CreationDate)
> > if objItem.CSCreationClassName != None:
> > print "CSCreationClassName:" + ` objItem.CSCreationClassName`
> > if objItem.CSName != None:
> > print "CSName:" + ` objItem.CSName`
> > if objItem.Description != None:
> > print "Description:" + ` objItem.Description`
> > if objItem.ExecutablePath != None:
> > print "ExecutablePath:" + ` objItem.ExecutablePath`
> > if objItem.ExecutionState != None:
> > print "ExecutionState:" + ` objItem.ExecutionState`
> > if objItem.Handle != None:
> > print "Handle:" + ` objItem.Handle`
> > if objItem.HandleCount != None:
> > print "HandleCount:" + ` objItem.HandleCount`
> > if objItem.InstallDate != None:
> > print "InstallDate:" + WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.InstallDate)
> > if objItem.KernelModeTime != None:
> > print "KernelModeTime:" + ` objItem.KernelModeTime`
> > if objItem.MaximumWorkingSetSize != None:
> > print "MaximumWorkingSetSize:" + `
> > objItem.MaximumWorkingSetSize`
> > if objItem.MinimumWorkingSetSize != None:
> > print "MinimumWorkingSetSize:" + `
> > objItem.MinimumWorkingSetSize`
> > if objItem.Name != None:
> > print "Name:" + ` objItem.Name`
> > if objItem.OSCreationClassName != None:
> > print "OSCreationClassName:" + ` objItem.OSCreationClassName`
> > if objItem.OSName != None:
> > print "OSName:" + ` objItem.OSName`
> > if objItem.OtherOperationCount != None:
> > print "OtherOperationCount:" + ` objItem.OtherOperationCount`
> > if objItem.OtherTransferCount != None:
> > print "OtherTransferCount:" + ` objItem.OtherTransferCount`
> > if objItem.PageFaults != None:
> > print "PageFaults:" + ` objItem.PageFaults`
> > if objItem.PageFileUsage != None:
> > print "PageFileUsage:" + ` objItem.PageFileUsage`
> > if objItem.ParentProcessId != None:
> > print "ParentProcessId:" + ` objItem.ParentProcessId`
> > if objItem.PeakPageFileUsage != None:
> > print "PeakPageFileUsage:" + ` objItem.PeakPageFileUsage`
> > if objItem.PeakVirtualSize != None:
> > print "PeakVirtualSize:" + ` objItem.PeakVirtualSize`
> > if objItem.PeakWorkingSetSize != None:
> > print "PeakWorkingSetSize:" + ` objItem.PeakWorkingSetSize`
> > if objItem.Priority != None:
> > print "Priority:" + ` objItem.Priority`
> > if objItem.PrivatePageCount != None:
> > print "PrivatePageCount:" + ` objItem.PrivatePageCount`
> > if objItem.ProcessId != None:
> > print "ProcessId:" + ` objItem.ProcessId`
> > if objItem.QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage != None:
> > print "QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage:" + `
> > objItem.QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage`
> > if objItem.QuotaPagedPoolUsage != None:
> > print "QuotaPagedPoolUsage:" + ` objItem.QuotaPagedPoolUsage`
> > if objItem.QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage != None:
> > print "QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage:" + `
> > objItem.QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage`
> > if objItem.QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage != None:
> > print "QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage:" + `
> > objItem.QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage`
> > if objItem.ReadOperationCount != None:
> > print "ReadOperationCount:" + ` objItem.ReadOperationCount`
> > if objItem.ReadTransferCount != None:
> > print "ReadTransferCount:" + ` objItem.ReadTransferCount`
> > if objItem.SessionId != None:
> > print "SessionId:" + ` objItem.SessionId`
> > if objItem.Status != None:
> > print "Status:" + ` objItem.Status`
> > if objItem.TerminationDate != None:
> > print "TerminationDate:" +
> > WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TerminationDate)
> > if objItem.ThreadCount != None:
> > print "ThreadCount:" + ` objItem.ThreadCount`
> > if objItem.UserModeTime != None:
> > print "UserModeTime:" + ` objItem.UserModeTime`
> > if objItem.VirtualSize != None:
> > print "VirtualSize:" + ` objItem.VirtualSize`
> > if objItem.WindowsVersion != None:
> > print "WindowsVersion:" + ` objItem.WindowsVersion`
> > if objItem.WorkingSetSize != None:
> > print "WorkingSetSize:" + ` objItem.WorkingSetSize`
> > if objItem.WriteOperationCount != None:
> > print "WriteOperationCount:" + ` objItem.WriteOperationCount`
> > if objItem.WriteTransferCount != None:
> > print "WriteTransferCount:" + ` objItem.WriteTransferCount`
> > Oh... vbscript, I see
> >
> > On Error Resume Next
> >
> > Const wbemFlagReturnImmediately = &h10
> > Const wbemFlagForwardOnly = &h20
> >
> > arrComputers = Array("SFMXP32")
> > For Each strComputer In arrComputers
> > WScript.Echo
> > WScript.Echo "=========================================="
> > WScript.Echo "Computer: " & strComputer
> > WScript.Echo "=========================================="
> >
> > Set objWMIService = GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer &
> > "\root\CIMV2")
> > Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM Win32_Process",
> > "WQL", _
> > wbemFlagReturnImmediately +
> > wbemFlagForwardOnly)
> >
> > For Each objItem In colItems
> > WScript.Echo "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
> > WScript.Echo "CommandLine: " & objItem.CommandLine
> > WScript.Echo "CreationClassName: " & objItem.CreationClassName
> > WScript.Echo "CreationDate: " &
> > WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.CreationDate)
> > WScript.Echo "CSCreationClassName: " & objItem.CSCreationClassName
> > WScript.Echo "CSName: " & objItem.CSName
> > WScript.Echo "Description: " & objItem.Description
> > WScript.Echo "ExecutablePath: " & objItem.ExecutablePath
> > WScript.Echo "ExecutionState: " & objItem.ExecutionState
> > WScript.Echo "Handle: " & objItem.Handle
> > WScript.Echo "HandleCount: " & objItem.HandleCount
> > WScript.Echo "InstallDate: " &
> > WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.InstallDate)
> > WScript.Echo "KernelModeTime: " & objItem.KernelModeTime
> > WScript.Echo "MaximumWorkingSetSize: " &
> > objItem.MaximumWorkingSetSize
> > WScript.Echo "MinimumWorkingSetSize: " &
> > objItem.MinimumWorkingSetSize
> > WScript.Echo "Name: " & objItem.Name
> > WScript.Echo "OSCreationClassName: " & objItem.OSCreationClassName
> > WScript.Echo "OSName: " & objItem.OSName
> > WScript.Echo "OtherOperationCount: " & objItem.OtherOperationCount
> > WScript.Echo "OtherTransferCount: " & objItem.OtherTransferCount
> > WScript.Echo "PageFaults: " & objItem.PageFaults
> > WScript.Echo "PageFileUsage: " & objItem.PageFileUsage
> > WScript.Echo "ParentProcessId: " & objItem.ParentProcessId
> > WScript.Echo "PeakPageFileUsage: " & objItem.PeakPageFileUsage
> > WScript.Echo "PeakVirtualSize: " & objItem.PeakVirtualSize
> > WScript.Echo "PeakWorkingSetSize: " & objItem.PeakWorkingSetSize
> > WScript.Echo "Priority: " & objItem.Priority
> > WScript.Echo "PrivatePageCount: " & objItem.PrivatePageCount
> > WScript.Echo "ProcessId: " & objItem.ProcessId
> > WScript.Echo "QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage: " &
> > objItem.QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage
> > WScript.Echo "QuotaPagedPoolUsage: " & objItem.QuotaPagedPoolUsage
> > WScript.Echo "QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage: " &
> > objItem.QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage
> > WScript.Echo "QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage: " &
> > objItem.QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage
> > WScript.Echo "ReadOperationCount: " & objItem.ReadOperationCount
> > WScript.Echo "ReadTransferCount: " & objItem.ReadTransferCount
> > WScript.Echo "SessionId: " & objItem.SessionId
> > WScript.Echo "Status: " & objItem.Status
> > WScript.Echo "TerminationDate: " &
> > WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TerminationDate)
> > WScript.Echo "ThreadCount: " & objItem.ThreadCount
> > WScript.Echo "UserModeTime: " & objItem.UserModeTime
> > WScript.Echo "VirtualSize: " & objItem.VirtualSize
> > WScript.Echo "WindowsVersion: " & objItem.WindowsVersion
> > WScript.Echo "WorkingSetSize: " & objItem.WorkingSetSize
> > WScript.Echo "WriteOperationCount: " & objItem.WriteOperationCount
> > WScript.Echo "WriteTransferCount: " & objItem.WriteTransferCount
> > WScript.Echo
> > Next
> > Next
> >
> >
> > Function WMIDateStringToDate(dtmDate)
> > WScript.Echo dtm:
> > WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
> > Mid(dtmDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmDate, 4) _
> > & " " & Mid (dtmDate, 9, 2) & ":" & Mid(dtmDate, 11, 2) & ":" &
> > Mid(dtmDate,13, 2))
> > End Function
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [
> > mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Michael B. Smith
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:18 PM
> > *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > From one of my upcoming books:
> >
> >
> >
> > WMI stands for Windows Management Instrumentation. WMI is the Microsoft
> > implementation of something known as CIM, which stands for Common
> > Information Model. CIM (and therefore WMI) is an industry-standard way of
> > representing information about computing objects. These objects include
> > processors, processes, tasks, networks, IP addresses, routers, switches,
> > etc. etc. There are literally hundreds of WMI objects implemented within
> > modern versions of Windows (WMI was first available in Windows 2000 Server).
> >
> > WMI provides a schema (that is, a description of the information that is
> > available) and a specification of the format of the data contained within
> > the schema. Within WMI, Microsoft has also defined a simple and standard
> > mechanism for accessing the information contained therein.
> >
> > In my opinion, you get a great deal of value from spending time reading
> > the MSDN documents on (for example) Win32_Process. And if you get there, you
> > can see all the other Win32_* items. Drill down, and lo and behold, there is
> > a wealth of data.
> >
> >
> >
> > Within PowerShell, start with "gwmi win32_process | fl" and go from
> > there…
> >
> >
> >
> > http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394372(VS.85).aspx<http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394372%28VS.85%29.aspx>
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael B. Smith
> >
> > MCSE/Exchange MVP
> >
> > http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [
> > mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:01 PM
> > *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> >
> >
> > I think it's what you are used to and what makes sense to your platform.
> >
> > Up here in the GUI world PowerShell is being used all around me. SBS is
> > exposing it in the 2k8 era and using it for antispam cmdlets in Exchange
> > 2k7, move data scripting and it's being used in the backup tasks. IIS 7
> > just came out with a PowerShell platform as well.
> >
> > You and your blinking c prompt server core world it's understandable :-)
> >
> > Forgive the very newb question... in my platform I am looking at
> > PowerShell but find that the PowerShell scripting tutorials assume a
> > foundational knowledge of WMI, Common Information Model Standards and what
> > not. What resource would you gurus say is the best one for better
> > understanding these foundations?
> >
> >
> >
> > joe wrote:
> >
> > Note that I am not saying no one else should be using PoS or .NET... I
> > am saying for me, it hasn't made any sense to do so IMO. I actually
> > recommend some others to use it because it would be the quickest easiest way
> > for them to spin up. But when people ask me to get involved with it, I don't
> > see the benefit *to me* to do so and say so. This includes writing wrappers,
> > etc for it because people seem to think I do certain things better than
> > others.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [
> > mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>]
> > *On Behalf Of *joe
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:42 PM
> > *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > Binary, Unicode, and large int can't be marshalled into text? How do you
> > know that isn't happening in the backend somewhere currently? Say some XML
> > stream of some sort? There is and has been a whole object passing model that
> > has existed for years and years and years called CORBA but the actual
> > implementation of that is a bit FAT for what we are talking about because it
> > needed to account for many things we don't care about in the command line
> > management world. But a similar idea slimmed down to the specific case of
> > passing data between two command line processes would be nice and it could
> > be published as a protocol instead of locking into a specific app model.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think you are happy that the data marshalling is done and you don't
> > have to deal with it, the fact that it is powershell or .net or anything
> > else doesn't really play into it. Anything given to you with the same
> > functionality would have been fine. It is like when people rave about
> > PowerShell because it lets them manage Exchange at the command line, that
> > isn't an argument for PowerShell, it is an argument for having anything that
> > can actually do what you need that didn't exist or possibly didn't know how
> > to do before.
> >
> >
> >
> > I like the idea of PowerShell, I think the .NET requirement was
> > extremely shortsighted considering it isn't what I would consider a first
> > class citizen of the OS. But I still don't see anything that PoS does for me
> > that makes me go, my god, I could never accomplish that any other way. Once
> > we start seeing kernel components written in and being run by .NET pieces
> > meaning perf has actually been looked at in some serious way, .NET will
> > start looking more attractive to me. Write now the arguments are mostly of
> > the variety that people gave for VB years ago and that wasn't enough to get
> > me to use VB either. Ditto Java. Now when Borland came out with Borland
> > Builder which gave me VB capability with native good c++ code, I was all
> > over that.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [
> > mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>]
> > *On Behalf Of *Brandon Shell
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:05 AM
> > *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > What about Binary Data? Unicode? or iADSLargeInteger. The biggest thing
> > you lose is ability to maintain the integrity of the object/text throughout
> > the pipe. Using .NET you know if you have FileInfo object it will stay a
> > FileInfo object until you decide to change it. The problem isn't passing the
> > text, it is knowing what to do with it on the flip side. The benefit you
> > have with the object model is Typing. I can TYPE the data so that there is
> > no ambiguity in the interpretation of the "text."
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't feel the need to debate the design of Powershell (that is water
> > under the bridge,) but the validity of the usefulness of dealing with
> > Objects. Ironically we both agree with the crapiness of the s.ds.d namespace
> > and ADSI in general, but that is a VERY small scope for Powershell. When it
> > comes to Dealing with Processes, Files, WMI, and the slew of other things
> > that Powershell Addresses from an Admin point of view using the .NET
> > namespace was a good idea.
> >
> >
> >
> > What Dushyant was talking about was, in Powershell you can have
> > Parameters that can be passed via the Pipe. These Parameters are determined
> > by Type or by Name. If it is a STRING it goes here, if it is a DATETIME it
> > goes there, if it is ... You get the idea. You can NOT achieve that passing
> > just text. It is just not feasible. Basically, I get your point, The
> > serialization is still done I just don't have to deal with it. This is the
> > draw. I don't have to worry about it. Not to mention it is SUPER powerful.
> >
> >
> >
> > In regards to "defined this standard passing mechanism" They did... its
> > called .NET Almost all the stuff they needed already had pre-defined .NET
> > classes that could be used.
> >
> >
> >
> > I really respect your opinion. You have a lot of experience, but I think
> > in this case you have been blinded by your hatred for .NET (albeit
> > understandable hatred.) Could Powershell have been done different...
> > absolutely. Could it have been done better... absolutely. Should they have
> > used .NET or just a standard parsing methods... that is converstation for
> > you and Jeffrey Snover.
> >
> >
> >
> > btw... Powershell is not a shell. It is an Engine similar to vbscript
> > parsing engine. They just have a shell that loads Powershell.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:48 AM, joe <listmail@joeware.net> wrote:
> >
> > Give me an example or three of things you can do that you don't think
> > could be done otherwise that you believe to be a function of passing info
> > between programs (or if you prefer, call them cmdlets) that you can't do
> > with passing text. And as we were discussing at the summit, these should not
> > be things based on two apps not speaking the same language because no one
> > defined a protocol for the text streaming interchang, but things that
> > couldn't be done period even if that was defined. As you know and despite
> > the incorrect assumption/comment made by Dushyant in the PoS session,
> > Adfind/Mod and ds* can actually communicate with each other in great part
> > because I allowed it and that isn't all that hard as long as people agree on
> > a format. But give me an example of something that can't be done with that
> > object passing that you feel can't be accomplished if the
> > agreements/protocols aren't established.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think we would have been better served if MSFT had defined this
> > standard passing mechanism versus doing what was done. Something that wasn't
> > solely reliant on .NET. The .NET requirement is a silly requirement IMO.
> > Anyway, this wouldn't even need a whole new shell to pull off and the
> > foundation would have built up a lot faster and be far wider and accepted
> > now than it is. Again, IMO.
> >
> >
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
> > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Shell
> >
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:34 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> >
> >
> > While I still think it would be cool for you to write them... I have
> > S.DS.P now... That solves my immediate need so I can do the rest
> >
> >
> >
> > It may not be as fast as ADFind, but the flexibility of objects will
> > more than make up for that time lost with my ability to process the output.
> >
> >
> >
> > To be clear... I think ADFind and ADMod awesome tools and I am very
> > grateful for them.
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM, joe <listmail@joeware.net> wrote:
> >
> > Absolutely, I just don't consider that exploring... If I did explore
> > that area, it would be to work out how to write native code to interface
> > with it.
> >
> >
> >
> > If ya want it to so bad... you write it.
> >
> >
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> >
> > Those who can.... do.
> >
> > Those who can't... beg.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
> > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Brandon Shell
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:02 AM
> >
> >
> > *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> >
> > *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > *never stop exploring...* 
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, joe <listmail@joeware.net> wrote:
> >
> > Very funnyΏ]....
> >
> > 
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> > Ώ] But accurate
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> >
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Dean Wells
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:17 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > Hehe ... and not entirely dissimilar to what happens when people ask joe
> > .NET/Powershell questions in-person; joe: can you write a wrapper ...
> > joe?
> > joe? ... where'd he go?
> >
> > --
> > Dean Wells
> > MSEtechnology
> > t Email: dwells@msetechnology.com
> > http://msetechnology.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Richard Kline
> > Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:20 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > First Nomination for Understatement of the Year award:
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe
> > Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 4:28 PM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> >
> > ...
> >
> > A DNS server that is dynamically handed its address is NOT the most
> > useful
> > device you could have on a network...
> >
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
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