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04/30/2008 3:17 PM
I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is a level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. Rich Milburn AD Technical Consultant Hewlett-Packard Company (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services)

deji

Posts:132

04/30/2008 3:42 PM
>>> I am no longer at Applebee’s Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his bias for apples? @j@ Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, which is better? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is a level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. And PS I am no longer at Applebee’s… Rich Milburn AD Technical Consultant Hewlett-Packard Company (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

Marty1_0

Posts:70

04/30/2008 4:02 PM
Welcome! >From Belgium (small country, but where both HP & Pfizer have office(s)) :-) // Bart From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 21:19 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is a level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. Rich Milburn AD Technical Consultant Hewlett-Packard Company (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services)

listmail

Posts:428

04/30/2008 4:37 PM
"quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" In what way? 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? 5. Which one has more letters in the name? 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in a forest? All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction >>> I am no longer at Applebee's Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his bias for apples? @j@ Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, which is better? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is a level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. Rich Milburn AD Technical Consultant Hewlett-Packard Company (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

deji

Posts:132

04/30/2008 5:08 PM
Ah, he bites! It was actually a dig at you and your professed bias for WINS Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe [listmail@joeware.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:35 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" In what way? 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? 5. Which one has more letters in the name? 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in a forest? All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction >>> I am no longer at Applebee's Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his bias for apples? @j@ Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, which is better? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is a level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. Rich Milburn AD Technical Consultant Hewlett-Packard Company (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

listmail

Posts:428

04/30/2008 5:43 PM
Yeah I know I am silly... I eschew the complicated for the simple. Call me old and not able to keep all the details in my head anymore. It's why I moved to the country; you don't have to recall the names of the various squirrels, deer, rabbits, and birds running around versus the neighbors you have in the city... -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:02 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction Ah, he bites! It was actually a dig at you and your professed bias for WINS Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe [listmail@joeware.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 1:35 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" In what way? 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? 5. Which one has more letters in the name? 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in a forest? All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction >>> I am no longer at Applebee's Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his bias for apples? @j@ Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, which is better? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is a level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. Rich Milburn AD Technical Consultant Hewlett-Packard Company (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

sslists

Posts:18

04/30/2008 7:24 PM
Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented the internet. Live would be so much easier. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net> To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > In what way? > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in > a > forest? > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > bias > for apples? @j@ > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > which is better? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 > Do > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? > -anon ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is > a > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > Rich Milburn > AD Technical Consultant > Hewlett-Packard Company > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

listmail

Posts:428

04/30/2008 7:34 PM
Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would step up and be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least that part right. Go Gore. Anyway, IMO... internet = dns requirement intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero environment ;o) joe Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that couldn't have been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name res. No non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN server/share names... -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented the internet. Live would be so much easier. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net> To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > In what way? > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in > a > forest? > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > bias > for apples? @j@ > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > which is better? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 > Do > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? > -anon ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is > a > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > Rich Milburn > AD Technical Consultant > Hewlett-Packard Company > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

bsonposh

Posts:168

04/30/2008 7:49 PM
IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net> wrote: > Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would step up > and > be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least that part > right. Go Gore. > > Anyway, IMO... > > internet = dns requirement > intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero environment > ;o) > > > joe > > > > Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS > queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that couldn't > have > been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be > unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name res. No > non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN server/share > names... > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented > the > internet. Live would be so much easier. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net> > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > > > In what way? > > > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in > the > > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names > in > > a > > forest? > > > > > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > > > > > -- > > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > > bias > > for apples? @j@ > > > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > > which is better? > > > > Sincerely, > > _____ > > (, / \| /) /) /) > > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > > (_/ /) > > (/ > > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 > > Do > > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > > Yesterday? > > -anon ________________________________ > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he > is > > a > > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > > > Rich Milburn > > AD Technical Consultant > > Hewlett-Packard Company > > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx >

deji

Posts:132

04/30/2008 7:59 PM
How is that, Brandon? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell [tshell@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:47 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>> wrote: Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would step up and be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least that part right. Go Gore. Anyway, IMO... internet = dns requirement intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero environment ;o) joe Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that couldn't have been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name res. No non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN server/share names... -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented the internet. Live would be so much easier. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>> To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > In what way? > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in > a > forest? > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > bias > for apples? @j@ > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > which is better? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 > Do > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? > -anon ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com<mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com>] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is > a > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > Rich Milburn > AD Technical Consultant > Hewlett-Packard Company > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

bsonposh

Posts:168

04/30/2008 8:04 PM
Why what? Why did MS go with Kerberos or why does using Kerberos imply use of DNS? On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Akomolafe, Deji <deji@readymaids.com> wrote: > How is that, Brandon? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell [ > tshell@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:47 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net<mailto: > listmail@joeware.net>> wrote: > Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would step up > and > be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least that part > right. Go Gore. > > Anyway, IMO... > > internet = dns requirement > intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero environment > ;o) > > > joe > > > > Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS > queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that couldn't > have > been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be > unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name res. No > non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN server/share > names... > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented > the > internet. Live would be so much easier. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>> > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > > > In what way? > > > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in > the > > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names > in > > a > > forest? > > > > > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > > > > > -- > > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > > bias > > for apples? @j@ > > > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > > which is better? > > > > Sincerely, > > _____ > > (, / \| /) /) /) > > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > > (_/ /) > > (/ > > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/>< > http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 > > Do > > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > > Yesterday? > > -anon ________________________________ > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com<mailto: > rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com>] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he > is > > a > > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > > > Rich Milburn > > AD Technical Consultant > > Hewlett-Packard Company > > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx >

deji

Posts:132

04/30/2008 8:14 PM
HOW do we "suffer" because of DNS? And why do you assume that the rationale for going all DNS is BECAUSE of Kerberos? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell [tshell@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:03 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction Why what? Why did MS go with Kerberos or why does using Kerberos imply use of DNS? On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Akomolafe, Deji <deji@readymaids.com<mailto:deji@readymaids.com>> wrote: How is that, Brandon? Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell [tshell@gmail.com<mailto:tshell@gmail.com>] Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:47 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net><mailto:listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote: Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would step up and be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least that part right. Go Gore. Anyway, IMO... internet = dns requirement intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero environment ;o) joe Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that couldn't have been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name res. No non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN server/share names... -- O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented the internet. Live would be so much easier. Thanks, Steve ----- Original Message ----- From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net><mailto:listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > In what way? > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in the > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names in > a > forest? > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > bias > for apples? @j@ > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > which is better? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 > Do > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? > -anon ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com<mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com><mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com<mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com>>] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he is > a > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > Rich Milburn > AD Technical Consultant > Hewlett-Packard Company > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

miller4

Posts:12

04/30/2008 8:14 PM
"IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. " What? I like standards. I REALLY like standards. I infer you ain't got no boxes running OS X, Unix, Red Hat, Ubuntu that you need to deal with. Last I checked, it was the 21st century. All Windows shops are getting harder to find each day. Welcome Suresh!. Wear your armor when posting here. -mjm Brandon Shell wrote: > IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net>> wrote: > > Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would > step up and > be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least > that part > right. Go Gore. > > Anyway, IMO... > > internet = dns requirement > intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero > environment > ;o) > > > joe > > > > Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS > queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that > couldn't have > been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be > unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name > res. No > non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN > server/share names... > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Steve > Schofield > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he > invented the > internet. Live would be so much easier. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net <mailto:listmail@joeware.net>> > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > > > In what way? > > > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against > it in the > > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine > names in > > a > > forest? > > > > > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > > > > > -- > > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of > Akomolafe, Deji > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. > Did the > > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection > of his > > bias > > for apples? @j@ > > > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS > or DNS, > > which is better? > > > > Sincerely, > > _____ > > (, / \| /) /) /) > > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > > (_/ /) > > (/ > > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > > www.akomolafe.name > <http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know > IT -5.75, -3.23 > > Do > > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > > Yesterday? > > -anon ________________________________ > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com > <mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com>] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh > Ramchandran, he is > > a > > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just > joined this > > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > > > Rich Milburn > > AD Technical Consultant > > Hewlett-Packard Company > > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

bsonposh

Posts:168

04/30/2008 8:59 PM
While there is nothing specific that I can recall in the specs of Kerberos that relates to DNS, I do believe a fundamental aspect of Kerberos is have realms. WINS is a flat namespace and wouldn't scale well in regards to realms. Do you know a single Kerberos environment on the planet that does not use DNS for Name resolution? Not to mention interop. I can't imagine UNIX/Linux shops using WINS which would be a requirement. Lets face it... MS lost the name resolution battle. WINS will die soon. On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Akomolafe, Deji <deji@readymaids.com> wrote: > HOW do we "suffer" because of DNS? And why do you assume that the > rationale for going all DNS is BECAUSE of Kerberos? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell [ > tshell@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 5:03 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > Why what? Why did MS go with Kerberos or why does using Kerberos imply use > of DNS? > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Akomolafe, Deji <deji@readymaids.com > <mailto:deji@readymaids.com>> wrote: > How is that, Brandon? > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> > - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell [ > tshell@gmail.com<mailto:tshell@gmail.com>] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:47 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net<mailto: > listmail@joeware.net><mailto:listmail@joeware.net<mailto: > listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote: > Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone would step up > and > be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least that part > right. Go Gore. > > Anyway, IMO... > > internet = dns requirement > intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero environment > ;o) > > > joe > > > > Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. Watch the DNS > queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that couldn't > have > been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still have to be > unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use short name res. No > non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN server/share > names... > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Steve Schofield > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > ><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he invented > the > internet. Live would be so much easier. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net><mailto: > listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > ><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > > > In what way? > > > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits against it in > the > > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique machine names > in > > a > > forest? > > > > > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > > > > > -- > > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > ><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over to HP. Did the > > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a reflection of his > > bias > > for apples? @j@ > > > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - quick, WINS or DNS, > > which is better? > > > > Sincerely, > > _____ > > (, / \| /) /) /) > > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > > (_/ /) > > (/ > > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > > www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/>< > http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > > Do > > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > > Yesterday? > > -anon ________________________________ > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org><mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto: > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Rich Milburn > > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com<mailto: > rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com><mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com > <mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com>>] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > ><mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > >> > > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh Ramchandran, he > is > > a > > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just joined this > > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > > > Rich Milburn > > AD Technical Consultant > > Hewlett-Packard Company > > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx >

sbradcpa

Posts:299

04/30/2008 9:09 PM
Define small. There's something stopping you? Stand up a SBS2k3 box, it's still used under the hood. Brandon Shell wrote: > You get me wrong Michael, I like DNS and I very glad that is the way > MS went, but I still like WINS and I wish I could somehow still use it > in small environments. > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Michael Miller <miller4@uiuc.edu > <mailto:miller4@uiuc.edu>> wrote: > > "IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. " > > What? > > I like standards. I REALLY like standards. > > I infer you ain't got no boxes running OS X, Unix, Red Hat, Ubuntu > that you need to deal with. > > Last I checked, it was the 21st century. All Windows shops are > getting harder to find each day. > > Welcome Suresh!. Wear your armor when posting here. > > -mjm > > > Brandon Shell wrote: > > IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. > > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net> <mailto:listmail@joeware.net > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote: > > Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone > would > step up and > be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at least > that part > right. Go Gore. > > Anyway, IMO... > > internet = dns requirement > intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero > environment > ;o) > > > joe > > > > Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD. > Watch the DNS > queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that > couldn't have > been done with WINS. You got DNS but machine names still > have to be > unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use > short name > res. No > non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN > server/share names... > > > > -- > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Steve > Schofield > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he > invented the > internet. Live would be so much easier. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net> <mailto:listmail@joeware.net > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?" > > > > In what way? > > > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base? > > > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits > against > it in the > > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years? > > > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand? > > > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much? > > > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name? > > > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name? > > > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique > machine > names in > > a > > forest? > > > > > > > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o) > > > > > > > > -- > > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of > Akomolafe, Deji > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's > > Now, that's Rich IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over > to HP. > Did the > > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a > reflection > of his > > bias > > for apples? @j@ > > > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh - > quick, WINS > or DNS, > > which is better? > > > > Sincerely, > > _____ > > (, / \| /) /) /) > > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > > (_/ /) > > (/ > > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > > www.akomolafe.name <http://www.akomolafe.name/> > <http://www.akomolafe.name/><http://www.akomolafe.name/> - > we know > > IT -5.75, -3.23 > > Do > > you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were > worried about > > Yesterday? > > -anon ________________________________ > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>> > > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of > Rich Milburn > > > [rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com > <mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com> > <mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com > <mailto:rich.milburn.activedir@gmail.com>>] > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 12:18 PM > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>> > > > Subject: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction > > > > I wanted to send a welcome and introduction for Suresh > Ramchandran, he is > > a > > level 3 directory services engineer at Pfizer, and has just > joined this > > list. He also has quite a bit of knowledge in WINS and DNS. > > > > And PS I am no longer at Applebee's. > > > > Rich Milburn > > AD Technical Consultant > > Hewlett-Packard Company > > (assigned to Pfizer Global Directory Services) > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

bsonposh

Posts:168

04/30/2008 9:09 PM

I meant instead of DNS.

On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks
[MVP] <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Define small. There's something stopping you?
> Stand up a SBS2k3 box, it's still used under the hood.
>
> Brandon Shell wrote:
>
> > You get me wrong Michael, I like DNS and I very glad that is the way MS
> > went, but I still like WINS and I wish I could somehow still use it in small
> > environments.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Michael Miller <miller4@uiuc.edu<mailto:
> > miller4@uiuc.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > "IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos. "
> >
> > What?
> >
> > I like standards. I REALLY like standards.
> >
> > I infer you ain't got no boxes running OS X, Unix, Red Hat, Ubuntu
> > that you need to deal with.
> >
> > Last I checked, it was the 21st century. All Windows shops are
> > getting harder to find each day.
> >
> > Welcome Suresh!. Wear your armor when posting here.
> >
> > -mjm
> >
> >
> > Brandon Shell wrote:
> >
> > IMO we suffer with DNS because MS decided to go with Kerberos.
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 7:30 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net
> > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net> <mailto:listmail@joeware.net
> >
> > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote:
> >
> > Only if the whole internet was a single forest and someone
> > would
> > step up and
> > be the Department of PC Naming... I would say Gore got at
> > least
> > that part
> > right. Go Gore.
> >
> > Anyway, IMO...
> >
> > internet = dns requirement
> > intranet != dns requirementΏ] (just real handy in a hetero
> > environment
> > ;o)
> >
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> >
> > Ώ] Except for the artificial requirement now due to AD.
> > Watch the DNS
> > queries for and from Windows for AD and tell me honestly that
> > couldn't have
> > been done with WINS.

You got DNS but machine names still
> > have to be
> > unique in the Windows forest... Apps still like to use
> > short name
> > res. No
> > non-super technical users I have seen are mapping FQDN
> > server/share names...
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Steve
> > Schofield
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:21 PM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > Too bad Al Gore picked DNS to be the standard vs. WINS when he
> > invented the
> > internet. Live would be so much easier.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net
> > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net> <mailto:listmail@joeware.net
> > <mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>>
> > To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 4:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> >
> > > "quick, WINS or DNS, which is better?"
> > >
> > > In what way?
> > >
> > > 1. Which one has the smaller more tractable code base?
> > >
> > > 2. Which one has the fewest documented security exploits
> > against
> > it in the
> > > last year? Last 2 years? Last 5 years?
> > >
> > > 3. Which one is the simpler to understand?
> > >
> > > 4. Which one do most admins not screw up as much?
> > >
> > > 5. Which one has more letters in the name?
> > >
> > > 6. Which one has more vowels in the name?
> > >
> > > 7. Which one helps enforce the idea that you need unique
> > machine
> > names in
> > > a
> > > forest?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All sorts of categories to rate... ;o)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>
> > > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of
> > Akomolafe, Deji
> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:41 PM
> > > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > <mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> > > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> > >
> > >>>> I am no longer at Applebee's
> > > Now, that's Rich

IHOP bought Applebees. He hopped over
> > to HP.
> > Did the
> > > move increase or decrease his "IO", or is this just a
> > reflection
> > of his
> > > bias
> > > for apples? @j@
> > >
> > > Seriously, what I meant to say was: Welcome Suresh -
> > quick, WINS
> > or DNS,
> > > which is better?
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > _____
> > > (, / | /) /) /)
> > > /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> > > ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> > > (_/ /)
> > > (/
> > > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> >

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