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On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks
[MVP] <sbradcpa@pacbell.net> wrote:
> WINS/DNS
> XP/Vista
> Ubuntu/Mac/Windows
> Obama/Clinton/McCain
>
> Why not bring all the religious arguments into the mix while we're at it?
>
> IMHO change is hard.
> We all hate change.
> And we typically don't RTFM.
>
>
> Brian Desmond wrote:
>
> I don't think it's you or anyone's place to say that this is a true/false
> question. It depends on each environment, and I've worked in large shops
> wehre either WINS is easier than DNS or WINS is harder than DNS apply.
>
> --brian
>
> On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Akomolafe, Deji <deji@readymaids.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The argument that WINS is "easier" to manage is false. And, much as joe
> > would like to avoid stating it, even he had "issues" with it in his "widget"
> > shop.
> >
> > I totally agree with the position that, like everything else, the
> > efficacy of a tool is greatly affected by the expertise of the person
> > holding/deploying/managing it. Anyone can wield a machette, but few can
> > employ it as well as a farmer can.
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > _____
> > (, / | /) /) /)
> > /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> > ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> > (_/ /)
> > (/
> > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> > www.akomolafe.name - we know IT
> > -5.75, -3.23
> > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> > Yesterday? -anon
> > ________________________________________
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [
> > ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia [
> > darren@sdmsoftware.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:58 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WINS? Ick. WAS [OT] introduction
> >
> > Actually, I don't really understand that. Is it because the WINS
> > namespace
> > is flat and so somehow that is simpler to manage? Because my experience
> > with
> > WINS management is that it was not easy (at least in a large
> > environment)
> > and required quite a bit of expertise and baby-sitting to keep it
> > healthy.
> > Things like replication that are handled for you today with
> > AD-integrated
> > DNS had to be manually managed in WINS and were fraught with peril if
> > not
> > designed well. Also, WINS was/is completely inflexible with respect to
> > functionality equivalent to CNAMES, had issues with name lengths,
> > required
> > you to keep track of a myriad of ridiculous suffixes and generally
> > speaking
> > was constantly requiring database maintenance.
> >
> > Darren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Wells, James
> > Arthur
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:51 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > That might be the case - but I think the point is that WINS is less
> > complex
> > to manage.
> >
> > So it'll take fewer admins/lower TCO/fewer operational risks vs. DNS,
> > given
> > the same quality admins.
> >
> >
> >
> > --James
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 9:22 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > You cleverly side-stepped the question, joe.
> >
> > If you truly believe that the health of a WINS implementation is
> > directly
> > proportional to the "quality" of its implementor/administrator, then is
> > it
> > not logical to assume the same of DNS?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > _____
> > (, / | /) /) /)
> > /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> > ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> > (_/ /)
> > (/
> > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> > www.akomolafe.name - we know IT
> > -5.75, -3.23
> > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> > Yesterday? -anon
> > ________________________________________
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe [
> > listmail@joeware.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 6:20 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > You know we didn't run Windows DNS at all. We needed functionality that
> > MSFT
> > didn't put in because they thought they knew what we were doing...
> >
> >
> > --
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:17 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > Did I just hear you say "DNS worked very well for us on NT4 (and
> > beyond).
> > Possibly it was simply the quality of the admins running it"?
> >
> > Does that mean you are going to stop dumping on DNS now?
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > _____
> > (, / | /) /) /)
> > /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> > ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> > (_/ /)
> > (/
> > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> > www.akomolafe.name - we know IT
> > -5.75, -3.23
> > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> > Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe [
> > listmail@joeware.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 10:09 PM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > Maybe because you are recalling this poorly Deji.
> >
> > I wasn't always chasing errant 1C/1B records, I wasn't ever chasing
> > errant
> > 1B/1C records but then you weren't involved in the Enterprise domain
> > stuff
> > where we worked, you worked on resource dp,aom servers. We occasionally
> > has
> > Samba boxes hijacking 1C records and I had a script that monitored that
> > so
> > when it happened we had it fixed in very short order. Outside of that
> > the
> > biggest issue was "admins" miscofiguring servers to either not point at
> > the
> > proper WINS servers or loading and running the WINS Service on them. Got
> > to
> > the point where when someone would call with a WINS issue my team would
> > first check the member server in question to make sure it was configured
> > properly and it usually wasn't. Didn't matter how many times we tried to
> > explain you couldn't configure WINS on a server than then point it at
> > another WINS server for name res and have it work properly.
> >
> > WINS worked very well for us on NT4. Possibly it was simply the quality
> > of
> > the admins running it.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> > http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
> > Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 12:29 AM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > Even in NT 4.0. joe just wouldn't admit that it was a kludge, even for
> > someone with his expertise. He was always chasing after some errant 1C
> > and
> > 1B (or is it 3x) records that periodically go missing for no reason.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > _____
> > (, / | /) /) /)
> > /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> > ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> > (_/ /)
> > (/
> > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> > www.akomolafe.name - we know IT
> > -5.75, -3.23
> > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> > Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________
> > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
> > [darren@sdmsoftware.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 9:23 PM
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > Brandon-
> >
> > Apparently you never used WINS in NT 3.50... :-)
> >
> > Darren Mar-Elia
> > CTO & Founder
> > SDM Software, Inc.
> > "The Group Policy Experts"
> > www.sdmsoftware.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Brandon Shell" <tshell@gmail.com>
> > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> > Sent: 4/30/2008 6:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] introduction
> >
> > The suffering point was that DNS is harder to configure, Manage, and
> > troubleshoot than WINS.
> >
> > But I agree... lets move on 
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Akomolafe, Deji <deji@readymaids.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > You've completely lost me, and I still don't understand the
> > "suffering"
> > > part of your original statement. And you still haven't explained how
> > MS'
> > > decision to adopt Kerberos was the beginning of your woes, especially
> > since
> > > you just stated that other Kerberos implementations depend on DNS as
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