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tkern@xxxx.yyy
 | | 09/01/2005 2:54 AM |
| What mail archving software do you guys use?
My manager wants to use a product called Sector but it seems pretty ineifficent to me.
You set up journaling mailbox on Exchange and then you set up a workstation with outlook to connect to the journaling mailbox and the Sector agents grab the mail and send it to their site via smtp.
This just dosen't seem like such a great soultion to me. We generate over 100,000 email a day if not more and everything needs to be archived.
I think this would kill the mapi connections the agent makes to the mailbox or i'll have to distribute the load over mutliple boxes and thus client Sector agents.
Anyhone know of another solution?
Thanks. Sorry for the OT. | | | |
| prenouf
Posts:1
| | 09/01/2005 3:09 AM |
| General MS information on journaling:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/exchange/2003/library/journaling.mspx
A couple of popular archiving products:
http://www.legato.com/products/edm/edm.htm
http://www.veritas.com/kvs/
Phil
On 9/1/05, Kern, Tom wrote:
What mail archving software do you guys use?My manager wants to use a product called Sector but it seems pretty ineifficent to me.
You set up journaling mailbox on Exchange and then you set up a workstation with outlook to connect to the journaling mailbox and the Sector agents grab the mail and send it to their site via smtp.This just dosen't seem like such a great soultion to me. We generate over 100,000 email a day if not more and everything needs to be archived.
I think this would kill the mapi connections the agent makes to the mailbox or i'll have to distribute the load over mutliple boxes and thus client Sector agents.Anyhone know of another solution?Thanks. Sorry for the OT. | | | |
| tkern@xxxx.yyy
| | 09/01/2005 3:20 AM |
| -----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
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| prenouf
Posts:1
| | 09/01/2005 3:26 AM |
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| AD000001286
Posts:0
| | 09/01/2005 3:52 AM |
| At a previous job of mine we used Exchange bifurcated messaging to copy all messages received. inbound from out gateway to a connector that would queue mail all day. At EOD the connector would turn on (Scheduled). This connector then dumped all the mail to a 3rd party archive (Zantaz) via normal SMTP delivery over a VPN connection to Zantaz. This was done for SOX and SEC requirements for financial institutions where all mail coming into your gateway must be searchable in the event of an audit. If you have anymore questions e-mail me off list to discuss as it is a little off topic for this list.
Regards,
David Chianese
dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 10:54 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
What mail archving software do you guys use?
My manager wants to use a product called Sector but it seems pretty ineifficent to me.
You set up journaling mailbox on Exchange and then you set up a workstation with outlook to connect to the journaling mailbox and the Sector agents grab the mail and send it to their site via smtp.
This just dosen't seem like such a great soultion to me. We generate over 100,000 email a day if not more and everything needs to be archived. I think this would kill the mapi connections the agent makes to the mailbox or i'll have to distribute the load over mutliple boxes and thus client Sector agents.
Anyhone know of another solution?
Thanks. Sorry for the OT.
.BövrzÊryi
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| deji
Posts:152
| | 09/01/2005 3:58 AM |
| If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
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| ajax
Posts:6
| | 09/01/2005 11:14 AM |
| I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
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From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
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| deji
Posts:152
| | 09/01/2005 11:23 AM |
| No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
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Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
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________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
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From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
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| deji
Posts:152
| | 09/01/2005 11:25 AM |
| At least not the way *I* read the way *he* described it :)
Sincerely,
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Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
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________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
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| bdesmond
Posts:416
| | 09/01/2005 11:36 AM |
| KVS is the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch of
pieces on various servers that all tie together.
I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to get
routed such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There
are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash a
copy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
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| tkern
Posts:6
| | 09/02/2005 1:22 AM |
| Well are there two different providers? Make an smtp connector each and change the address space¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
how can i point it to two smarthosts?
one for complaince and one for archival?
i think you can only send to one smarthost at a time..
tell me if i'm wrong.
thanks
On 9/1/05, Brian Desmond wrote:
Well the sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup a journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put two SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for your archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject:
Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
We set the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email domain to a smarthost.
Incoming is mx.
Thats how we do it.
now my boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for complaince.
Sector has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have one agent per journal box.
we have about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5 stores.
thats a lot of mail for mapi.
either that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i think the concept is faulty.
but what do i know...
On 9/1/05, Brian Desmond wrote:
KVS is the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch ofpieces on various servers that all tie together. I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to getrouted such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash acopy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final destination.Thanks,Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc - 312.731.3132-----Original Message-----From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM To:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.comDo you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin TuipSent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,please stay away from them. Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of goodofferings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your budget.You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.aspSincerely,Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know ITwww.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon________________________________From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, TomSent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving. They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.Thanks
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| bdesmond
Posts:416
| | 09/02/2005 1:43 AM |
| Right. Exchange will route the email through the least cost most direct and
first available connector.
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
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312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
9:20 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
I don't understand.
you have provider1.com and provider2.net.
just make 2 connectors, one with provider1.com
and the other with provider2.net and
exchange will send ity to both?
I can't believe that didn't occur to me.
thanks. sometimes its the stuff right under your nose.
On 9/1/05, Brian
Desmond
wrote:
Well are there
two different providers? Make an smtp connector each and change the address
space¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:
[ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
how can i
point it to two smarthosts?
one for
complaince and one for archival?
i think
you can only send to one smarthost at a time..
tell me
if i'm wrong.
thanks
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Well the
sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup
a journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for
everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put two
SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for your
archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
We set
the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co
which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email
domain to a smarthost.
Incoming
is mx.
Thats how
we do it.
now my
boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for complaince.
Sector
has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and
then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have
one agent per journal box.
we have
about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5
stores.
thats a
lot of mail for mapi.
either
that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i
think the concept is faulty.
but what
do i know...
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
KVS is
the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch of
pieces on various servers that all tie together.
I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to get
routed such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There
are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash a
copy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
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From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com -
we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com -
we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
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| bdesmond
Posts:416
| | 09/02/2005 2:23 AM |
| I honestly don™t know. Why don™t you try it and see?
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005
6:51 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
now i'm thinking that will alter the mail headers.
i'm not sure if you'd want to do that in an archive situation.
Am I right?
Thanks
On 9/1/05, Brian
Desmond
wrote:
Right.
Exchange will route the email through the least cost most direct and first
available connector.
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
9:20 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:
[ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I don't
understand.
you have provider1.com and provider2.net.
just make
2 connectors, one with provider1.com
and the other with provider2.net
and exchange will send ity to both?
I can't
believe that didn't occur to me.
thanks.
sometimes its the stuff right under your nose.
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Well are there
two different providers? Make an smtp connector each and change the address
space¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
how can i
point it to two smarthosts?
one for
complaince and one for archival?
i think
you can only send to one smarthost at a time..
tell me
if i'm wrong.
thanks
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Well the
sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup
a journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for
everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put two
SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for your
archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
We set
the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co
which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email
domain to a smarthost.
Incoming
is mx.
Thats how
we do it.
now my
boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for complaince.
Sector
has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and
then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have
one agent per journal box.
we have
about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5
stores.
thats a
lot of mail for mapi.
either
that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i
think the concept is faulty.
but what
do i know...
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
KVS is
the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch of
pieces on various servers that all tie together.
I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to get
routed such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There
are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash a
copy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com -
we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com -
we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
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| ajax
Posts:6
| | 09/02/2005 5:07 AM |
| You could if you want to just have 1 journaling mailbox for
your complete org. Just depends on if that mailbox can handle the load.
100,000 messages a day isn't that much though .. as I've seen journal mailboxes
with much more traffic :)
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom
KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 5:12 PMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
We set the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the
archive co which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that
email domain to a smarthost.
Incoming is mx.
Thats how we do it.
now my boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for
complaince.
Sector has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and
then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have one agent per journal box.
we have about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage
groups and 5 stores.
thats a lot of mail for mapi.
either that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding
out.
still, i think the concept is faulty.
but what do i know...
On 9/1/05, Brian
Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
KVS
is the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch ofpieces
on various servers that all tie together. I don't understand how you
would go about offloading internal mail archivingto a third party ... mail
within a routing group is never going to getrouted such that it could
leave the routing group and come back in. There are more than enough
people who will gladly have you set your mx record tothem as well as
smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash acopy in their
database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.Thanks,Brian Desmondbrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc -
312.731.3132-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday,
September 01, 2005 7:21 PM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)No disagreement about MAPI. Just
not the way he described it.Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé,
MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.readymaids.com - we know ITwww.akomolafe.comDo you now realize
that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Martin TuipSent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)I believe all of the
archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way Microsoft has
available right now that is supported to do this.Martin (who works
for an Archiving company) :)-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday,
September 01, 2005 8:58 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)If the way you described is the way
Sector really does their archiving,please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next
logicalquestion is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number
of goodofferings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size
of your budget.You can start your search from here:http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.aspSincerely,Dèjì
Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.readymaids.com - we know ITwww.akomolafe.com Do you now realize
that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried
aboutYesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, TomSent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal
with it.There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all
the emails.Thanks
-----Original Message----- From: Phil
Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
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| ajax
Posts:6
| | 09/02/2005 5:13 AM |
| Are we talking archiving (pruning of old data) or
journaling (compliance) ? I'm not a lawyer, but generally the
journalled stuff for compliance must be stored in such a way that it cannot and
wasn't altered during the timeframe it had to be kept.
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom
KernSent: Friday, September 02, 2005 3:51 AMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
now i'm thinking that will alter the mail headers.
i'm not sure if you'd want to do that in an archive situation.
Am I right?
Thanks
On 9/1/05, Brian
Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Right. Exchange will
route the email through the least cost most direct and first available
connector.
Thanks, Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:20
PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
I don't
understand.
you have
provider1.com and provider2.net.
just make
2 connectors, one with provider1.com and the other
with provider2.net and exchange will
send ity to both?
I can't
believe that didn't occur to me.
thanks.
sometimes its the stuff right under your nose.
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well are there two
different providers? Make an smtp connector each and change the address space?
Thanks, Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:48
PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
how can i
point it to two smarthosts?
one for
complaince and one for archival?
i think
you can only send to one smarthost at a time..
tell me
if i'm wrong.
thanks
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Well the sector
concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup a
journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for
everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put
two SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for
your archiving people (whats the difference?)?
Thanks, Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12
PMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re:
[ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
We set
the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co
which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email
domain to a smarthost.
Incoming
is mx.
Thats how
we do it.
now my
boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for
complaince.
Sector
has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and then
forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have
one agent per journal box.
we have
about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5
stores.
thats a
lot of mail for mapi.
either
that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding
out.
still, i
think the concept is faulty.
but what
do i know...
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
KVS is
the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch ofpieces on
various servers that all tie together. I don't understand how you
would go about offloading internal mail archiving to a third party ...
mail within a routing group is never going to getrouted such that it could
leave the routing group and come back in. There are more than enough
people who will gladly have you set your mx record to them as well as
smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash acopy in their
database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.Thanks,Brian Desmondbrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc -
312.731.3132-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
7:21 PM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Mail journaling(OT)No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he
described it.Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M
MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services www.readymaids.com - we
know ITwww.akomolafe.comDo you
now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin
TuipSent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Mail journaling(OT)I believe all of the archiving
companies use MAPI as that is the only way Microsoft has available right
now that is supported to do this.Martin (who works for an
Archiving company) :)-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:58 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Mail journaling(OT)If the way you described is the way Sector really
does their archiving,please stay away from them. Now, since your
boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical question is
how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of goodofferings
out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.You can start your search from here:http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.aspSincerely,Dèjì
Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.readymaids.com - we
know ITwww.akomolafe.com Do
you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Kern,
TomSent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Mail journaling(OT) Sorry, I meant archiving. They want to
archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.There has to
be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the
emails.Thanks
-----Original Message----- From: Phil
Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT) List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList
FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/activedir%40mail.activedir.org/
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| tkern
Posts:6
| | 09/02/2005 10:53 AM |
| Right. Exchange will route the email through the least cost most direct and first available connector.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 9:20 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I don't understand.
you have provider1.com and
provider2.net.
just make 2 connectors, one with provider1.com
and the other with provider2.net and exchange will send ity to both?
I can't believe that didn't occur to me.
thanks. sometimes its the stuff right under your nose.
On 9/1/05, Brian Desmond wrote:
Well are there two different providers? Make an smtp connector each and change the address space¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:48 PM
To:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
how can i point it to two smarthosts?
one for complaince and one for archival?
i think you can only send to one smarthost at a time..
tell me if i'm wrong.
thanks
On 9/1/05, Brian Desmond wrote:
Well the sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup a journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put two SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for your archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
We set the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email domain to a smarthost.
Incoming is mx.
Thats how we do it.
now my boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for complaince.
Sector has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have one agent per journal box.
we have about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5 stores.
thats a lot of mail for mapi.
either that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i think the concept is faulty.
but what do i know...
On 9/1/05, Brian Desmond wrote:
KVS is the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch ofpieces on various servers that all tie together. I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to getrouted such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash acopy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final destination.Thanks,Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc - 312.731.3132-----Original Message-----From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM To:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services
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www.akomolafe.comDo you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin TuipSent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,please stay away from them. Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of goodofferings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your budget.You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.aspSincerely,Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know ITwww.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon________________________________From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, TomSent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving. They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.Thanks
-----Original Message----- From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
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| bdesmond
Posts:416
| | 09/02/2005 12:33 PM |
| Well the sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup a journaling mailbox before, but, why can™t you do
this contact thing for everything and route it to wherever you outsource this
stuff? You could put two SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance
people and one for your archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
We set the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the
archive co which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes
that email domain to a smarthost.
Incoming is mx.
Thats how we do it.
now my boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for
complaince.
Sector has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the
journal mailbox and then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp
with outlook).
You have one agent per journal box.
we have about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4
storage groups and 5 stores.
thats a lot of mail for mapi.
either that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i think the concept is faulty.
but what do i know...
On 9/1/05, Brian
Desmond
wrote:
KVS is the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch
of
pieces on various servers that all tie together.
I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to get
routed such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There
are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash a
copy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
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| tkern
Posts:6
| | 09/02/2005 12:50 PM |
| Well the sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup a journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put two SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for your archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom KernSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:12 PMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
We set the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email domain to a smarthost.
Incoming is mx.
Thats how we do it.
now my boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for complaince.
Sector has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have one agent per journal box.
we have about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5 stores.
thats a lot of mail for mapi.
either that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i think the concept is faulty.
but what do i know...
On 9/1/05, Brian Desmond wrote:
KVS is the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch ofpieces on various servers that all tie together. I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to getrouted such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash acopy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final destination.Thanks,Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxc - 312.731.3132-----Original Message-----From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM To:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.Sincerely, Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.comDo you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon________________________________From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of Martin TuipSent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,please stay away from them. Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of goodofferings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your budget.You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.aspSincerely,Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+IMicrosoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know ITwww.akomolafe.com Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon________________________________From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, TomSent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving. They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.Thanks
-----Original Message----- From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
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| bdesmond
Posts:416
| | 09/02/2005 12:58 PM |
| Well are there two different providers? Make an smtp connector each and
change the address space¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
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c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail
journaling(OT)
how can i point it to two smarthosts?
one for complaince and one for archival?
i think you can only send to one smarthost at a time..
tell me if i'm wrong.
thanks
On 9/1/05, Brian
Desmond
wrote:
Well the
sector concept is, as Deji said early, pretty bad.
I never setup
a journaling mailbox before, but, why can't you do this contact thing for
everything and route it to wherever you outsource this stuff? You could put two
SMTP addresses on the contact, one for your compliance people and one for your
archiving people (whats the difference?)¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Tom Kern
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005
8:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
We set
the archive mailbox to go t a contact with the smtp addy of the archive co
which gets sent thru a dedicated smtp connector that only routes that email
domain to a smarthost.
Incoming
is mx.
Thats how
we do it.
now my
boss wants to use a diff co for archving and another one for complaince.
Sector
has "agents" that make a mapi connection to the journal mailbox and
then forward it via an smtp agent on the same host(win xp with outlook).
You have
one agent per journal box.
we have
about 10 exchange enterprise servers all with the full 4 storage groups and 5
stores.
thats a
lot of mail for mapi.
either
that or you need like a desktop agent per store forwarding out.
still, i
think the concept is faulty.
but what
do i know...
On
9/1/05, Brian Desmond brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
KVS is
the only product I'm familiar with, and it needs a whole bunch of
pieces on various servers that all tie together.
I don't understand how you would go about offloading internal mail archiving
to a third party ... mail within a routing group is never going to get
routed such that it could leave the routing group and come back in. There
are more than enough people who will gladly have you set your mx record to
them as well as smarthost outbound mail to them, and then they'll stash a
copy in their database somewhere and forward the mail to its final
destination.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 7:21 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
No disagreement about MAPI. Just not the way he described it.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com -
we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Martin Tuip
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 4:12 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
I believe all of the archiving companies use MAPI as that is the only way
Microsoft has available right now that is supported to do this.
Martin (who works for an Archiving company) :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2005 8:58 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
If the way you described is the way Sector really does their archiving,
please stay away from them.
Now, since your boss wants to offload this to a 3rd-party, the next logical
question is how much is (s)he willing to spend. There are a number of good
offerings out there and the recommendation will depend on the size of your
budget.
You can start your search from here:
http://www.microsoft.com/exchange/partners/archivingandcompliance.asp
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com -
we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
on behalf of Kern, Tom
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Mail journaling(OT)
Sorry, I meant archiving.
They want to archiving everything to a 3rd party firm and not deal with it.
There has to be a better way than mapi to get the 3rd party all the emails.
Thanks
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Renouf [mailto:prenouf@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thu 9/1/2005 11:08 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc:
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