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jamesmasters1
Posts:0
 | | 09/21/2005 7:28 AM |
| Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in
exchange?
Seems like it™s 8KB, or between 100-200 email
addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James | | | |
| deji
Posts:262
| | 09/21/2005 7:43 AM |
| I don't have exact figures, but your numbers are unbelievably low. 200 max? I
have DLs with 2300, and those are small.
What gives you this impression? Are you using a tool that's barfing when
expanding DLs with more than 200 membership?
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 8:23 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in exchange?
Seems like it's 8KB, or between 100-200 email addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James
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| bdesmond
Posts:995
| | 09/21/2005 7:48 AM |
| I have thousands of people in DLs¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 11:24 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange
max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in
exchange?
Seems like it™s 8KB, or between 100-200 email
addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James | | | |
| AD00000317
Posts:0
| | 09/21/2005 7:54 AM |
| What version of Exchange?
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
james.masters@xxxxxxxxxxSent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 9:24
AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [ActiveDir] OT:
exchange max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max
distribution list size in exchange?
Seems like it™s 8KB, or between
100-200 email addresses?
Am I missing
something?
Thanks,
James | | | |
| michael@xxxx.yyy
| | 09/21/2005 8:04 AM |
| James is probably actually referring to Outlook
personal distribution lists. That sounds about right ¦ around 150 users,
depending on length of addresses.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 3:44 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
exchange max. dist. list size
I have thousands of people in DLs¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 11:24 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange
max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in
exchange?
Seems like it™s 8KB, or between 100-200 email
addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James | | | |
| AD00000984
Posts:0
| | 09/21/2005 8:46 AM |
| Could be referring to personal DL's?
>
> From:
> Date: 2005/09/21 Wed PM 03:39:53 EDT
> To:
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
>
> I don't have exact figures, but your numbers are unbelievably low. 200 max? I
> have DLs with 2300, and those are small.
>
> What gives you this impression? Are you using a tool that's barfing when
> expanding DLs with more than 200 membership?
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> www.readymaids.com - we know IT
> www.akomolafe.com
> Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> Yesterday? -anon
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
> james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 8:23 AM
> To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
>
>
>
> Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in exchange?
>
>
>
> Seems like it's 8KB, or between 100-200 email addresses?
>
>
>
> Am I missing something?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> James
>
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| listmail
Posts:824
| | 09/21/2005 9:17 AM |
| Hey Deji... Remember the client side. :o) It is a personal DL and I believe
150-200 is the limit.
As for Server DLs (i.e. AD Groups), MS recommends that you stick to sizes of
500-1000 and if you need to go above that to nest them. I would say that
with AD 2003 I would go to 1500Ώ] but from what I have seen in how things
work with the queries and other items that I can't go too deeply in now
including rule expansion of "from a DL" rules I would also say that smaller
DLs that are nested is probably the way to go.
joe
Ώ] The issue breaks down to how many members are returned prior to ranging
kicking in.
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:40 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
I don't have exact figures, but your numbers are unbelievably low. 200 max?
I have DLs with 2300, and those are small.
What gives you this impression? Are you using a tool that's barfing when
expanding DLs with more than 200 membership?
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 8:23 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in exchange?
Seems like it's 8KB, or between 100-200 email addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James
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| JerryWCondra
Posts:0
| | 09/21/2005 9:27 AM |
| I have
thousands as well. Are you talking server or client. On the client side I™ve
seen it a fair bit. Here™s an article.
You receive a
"This distribution list has reached the maximum size for your network
e-mail server" error message when you add a large number of items to a
contact distribution list (DL) in Outlook 2000 or in Outlook 2002
Article 238569
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 2:44 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
exchange max. dist. list size
I have thousands of people in DLs¦
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 11:24 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange
max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in
exchange?
Seems like it™s 8KB, or between 100-200 email
addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James | | | |
| deji
Posts:262
| | 09/22/2005 3:04 AM |
| I saw this:
"distribution list size in exchange?"
and jumped on it. I should have thought about client side.
On a related note, however, I don't believe that the problem of DL size in
Exchange is on the Exchange side. Usually, where applications have had
problems enumerating more than 1000 DL membership, the problem is most likely
in the failure of that application to handle paging. Best practices, IMO,
would dictate that whoever is writing an app that queries a DL should account
for the possibility of the DL containing more than a 1000 object, and put in
paging accordingly.
I have used nested groups, but more for
administrative/organizational/aesthetic purposes than to compensate for any
Exchange-specific limitations.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of joe
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 2:03 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Hey Deji... Remember the client side. :o) It is a personal DL and I believe
150-200 is the limit.
As for Server DLs (i.e. AD Groups), MS recommends that you stick to sizes of
500-1000 and if you need to go above that to nest them. I would say that
with AD 2003 I would go to 1500Ώ] but from what I have seen in how things
work with the queries and other items that I can't go too deeply in now
including rule expansion of "from a DL" rules I would also say that smaller
DLs that are nested is probably the way to go.
joe
Ώ] The issue breaks down to how many members are returned prior to ranging
kicking in.
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:40 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
I don't have exact figures, but your numbers are unbelievably low. 200 max?
I have DLs with 2300, and those are small.
What gives you this impression? Are you using a tool that's barfing when
expanding DLs with more than 200 membership?
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 8:23 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in exchange?
Seems like it's 8KB, or between 100-200 email addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James
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| jamesmasters1
Posts:0
| | 09/22/2005 9:59 AM |
| Thanks for the replies¦
Michael is right, I believe¦ looks
like more of an outlook thing (we™re using Outlook 2003 and Exchange 2003
Std.)
This sums it up:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;238569&Product=out
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 3:55 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
exchange max. dist. list size
James is probably actually referring to
Outlook personal distribution lists. That sounds about right ¦ around 150
users, depending on length of addresses.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 3:44 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
exchange max. dist. list size
I have thousands of people in DLs¦
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21,
2005 11:24 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange
max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in
exchange?
Seems like it™s 8KB, or between 100-200 email
addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James | | | |
| AD00000203
Posts:0
| | 09/22/2005 11:54 AM |
| I believe the issue is with Personal DL created in Outlook, not with Server based DLs and yes we have seen the issue. I didn't want to provide the user with a fix because all that info is stored on the server.
Shawn
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:40 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
I don't have exact figures, but your numbers are unbelievably low. 200 max? I have DLs with 2300, and those are small.
What gives you this impression? Are you using a tool that's barfing when expanding DLs with more than 200 membership?
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 8:23 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in exchange?
Seems like it's 8KB, or between 100-200 email addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James
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| listmail
Posts:824
| | 10/05/2005 2:42 AM |
| Not paging, but ranging. You are returning a single object that has a large
number of values for a single attribute, it forces Exchange to handle the
group in a special one-off way. I have done a lot of work around trying to
figure out exactly what is happening and Exchange really does some
"different" things when it has to do this. In fact, I even have a theory
that once it needs to range it uses something other than the WLDAP32 library
for the LDAP queries. I base this on the fact that Insight for AD which
hooks the WLDAP32 calls doesn't see the ranging queries from Exchange but
sees them from any other apps that range and also I see the traffic in a
network trace captures and in Tracelogs.
I have an unvoiced theory also that breaking the DLs up into smaller sized
can help when someone creates rules that have a condition of "from a DL"
which forces an enumeration of the DLs and some of the nested DLs as well
for every message to that mailbox.
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 11:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
I saw this:
"distribution list size in exchange?"
and jumped on it. I should have thought about client side.
On a related note, however, I don't believe that the problem of DL size in
Exchange is on the Exchange side. Usually, where applications have had
problems enumerating more than 1000 DL membership, the problem is most
likely in the failure of that application to handle paging. Best practices,
IMO, would dictate that whoever is writing an app that queries a DL should
account for the possibility of the DL containing more than a 1000 object,
and put in paging accordingly.
I have used nested groups, but more for
administrative/organizational/aesthetic purposes than to compensate for any
Exchange-specific limitations.
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of joe
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 2:03 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Hey Deji... Remember the client side. :o) It is a personal DL and I believe
150-200 is the limit.
As for Server DLs (i.e. AD Groups), MS recommends that you stick to sizes of
500-1000 and if you need to go above that to nest them. I would say that
with AD 2003 I would go to 1500Ώ] but from what I have seen in how things
work with the queries and other items that I can't go too deeply in now
including rule expansion of "from a DL" rules I would also say that smaller
DLs that are nested is probably the way to go.
joe
Ώ] The issue breaks down to how many members are returned prior to ranging
kicking in.
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of deji@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2005 3:40 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
I don't have exact figures, but your numbers are unbelievably low. 200 max?
I have DLs with 2300, and those are small.
What gives you this impression? Are you using a tool that's barfing when
expanding DLs with more than 200 membership?
Sincerely,
Dèjì Akómöláfé, MCSE+M MCSA+M MCP+I
Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
www.readymaids.com - we know IT
www.akomolafe.com
Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
Yesterday? -anon
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
james.masters@xxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wed 9/21/2005 8:23 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: exchange max. dist. list size
Has anyone encountered the max distribution list size in exchange?
Seems like it's 8KB, or between 100-200 email addresses?
Am I missing something?
Thanks,
James
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