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jitendrakalyankar
Posts:1
 | | 11/13/2006 11:41 AM |
| First thing my reference to Microsoft as M$, never thought it would offend someone. I have many friends in Microsoft and even during our personal e-mails I do reference Microsoft as M$ and none ever complained to me and I forwarded Laura's e-mail to them but then again everyone is not the same...anyways I never meant it in a negative way...and e-mail being an impersonal medium all I can do is type...
and if I offended someone I do apologise especially to Laura and other Microsoft employees who are offened by this symbol....! :-)
-- Sincerely,J
On 11/13/06, Laura A. Robinson wrote:
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why wenickname really big guys tiny.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original Message-----From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of
Laura A. RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
-- Sincerely,J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett > wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script. I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on. I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in advance.
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| Marty1_0
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| | 11/13/2006 11:45 AM |
| I agree about the origin but I think that the usage/meaning of M$ has
changed the last years. I think that is evolution or something.
Today I see people using it all around, even those that only work on
Microsoft platforms for many years. I also agree on the "relativation"
approach. A lot of people laugh with misery and other things, why not
sometimes smile with little things like that.
OK in the past it was used in a totally different way, but I think
that we have evolved now... Let's move on! Personally I use MS as it
is commonly known and types really fast :-)
On 11/13/06, Laura A. Robinson wrote:
>
> Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or
> whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you
> think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
> expect its members to think that's funny.
>
> I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about
> "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both
> myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
> those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant
> and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
>
> Laura
>
> ________________________________
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek
> expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
> when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why we nickname really big
> guys tiny.
> ________________________________
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Albert Duro
> Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's
> not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone
> come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not
> necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
> 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse,
> 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as
> tongue in cheek expression.
>
> Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
>
> neil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of
> Laura A. Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think it's appropriate to refer to
> Microsoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include
> Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other
> people who may have a relatively positive view of Microsoft?
>
> Laura
>
> ________________________________
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Jitendra Kalyankar
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
>
>
> This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info....
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> J
>
>
> On 11/9/06, Stu Packett wrote:
> > Hello everyone. After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing
> list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script. I have
> no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you
> recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really know the
> difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd
> appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH
> and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on. I'm also open to
> computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in advance.
> >
>
>
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There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know.
;-)
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Can we kill this
thread now, please?
Rob
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Rutherford
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent: 13 November
2006 11:31To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Clearly there are
differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an
inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to
think that's funny.
I don't take offense
when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the
Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the
phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for
people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR
USAF NASIC/SCNASent:
Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
You have to be able
to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek expression and certainly
a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in
its reference. Thats why wenickname really big guys
tiny.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27
PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're
missing the point. It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the
question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting
offense. Especially when it's not necessary. If someone
deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit
any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone
else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent:
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly
doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in
cheek expression.
Let's not
get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Just out of
curiosity, whatmakes people think it's appropriate to refer
toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors,
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra
KalyankarSent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very
good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a
lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job
easier if I knew how to script. I have no experience in
scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a
beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really know the
difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that,
I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw
several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus
on. I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any
exist. Thanks in advance.
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT"
portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
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Limited
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about
whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur.
Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF
as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's
funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to
Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid";
in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the
origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase
and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people
to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF
NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at
yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek expression and certainly a corporation
like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its
reference. Thats why wenickname really big guys tiny.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006
10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the
point. It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why
does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially
when it's not necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner
table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it'
? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November
10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
OT: M$
I highly doubt
that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek
expression.
Let's not get
_too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, whatmakes
people think it's appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on
an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees,
Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a
relatively positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a lot of the posts on this
mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to
script. I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what
books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on. I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in
advance.
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Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just
that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people
here laugh at it all the time.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
;oP
Rob
Robert
Rutherford
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006 12:16To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
There's a reason for
the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know.
;-)
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Robert
RutherfordSent: Monday,
November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Can we kill this
thread now, please?
Rob
Robert
Rutherford
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent: 13 November
2006 11:31To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Clearly there are
differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an
inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to
think that's funny.
I don't take offense
when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the
Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the
phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for
people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR
USAF NASIC/SCNASent:
Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
You have to be able
to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek expression and certainly
a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in
its reference. Thats why wenickname really big guys
tiny.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27
PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're
missing the point. It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the
question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting
offense. Especially when it's not necessary. If someone
deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit
any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone
else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent:
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly
doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in
cheek expression.
Let's not
get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Just out of
curiosity, whatmakes people think it's appropriate to refer
toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors,
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra
KalyankarSent:
Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very
good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a
lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job
easier if I knew how to script. I have no experience in
scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a
beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really know the
difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that,
I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw
several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus
on. I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any
exist. Thanks in advance.
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| | 11/14/2006 1:17 AM |
| (I would just like to go on record as saying that I thought Brett's post
was funny)
In the MVP survey this year the final question was "give three words
that best describe Microsoft?" Boy howdy was that the hardest part of
the survey to fill out. Three words to describe the "company"? Youch.
Think about that one for a moment will ya? Ask me to say three words
about the people of Microsoft and I'd have that survey done in a
nanosecond. Ask me three words about the "Company" ...this financial
entity that files 10Ks and like what do you want me to say?
Microsoft (or M$ or MF$T whatever you'd like to call it) is a company
registered with the SEC to do business. It is a software company. It
is an entity. It has a Tax ID number. It has to make sucky decisions
due to Judges and Lawyers and Patents and EU attorneys and stupid EOLA
lawsuits and .........
The Employees of Microsoft (no abbreviations)... as was best put by a
Security MVP.... he went looking for the employees of Microsoft that eat
babies....you know...the ones he's heard about in those Department of
Justice/SlashDot postings and all that.... well he can't find them.
Every one of them he (and I) have ever met are sincere, hardworking,
trustworthy people. In fact that's one of the wonderful things about
the blogs... they do a total 'end run' around WagEd/PR stuff and show
the people for the people. Even when Brett didn't blog.... we knew
about him via his blog. Just honest people talking to people. And
that's when Microsoft truly rocks.
I also know that in the newsgroups when I have someone who challenges my
views I find that ends up happening is not that I'll change them, but
I'll solidify my views. To those that use M$ knowing full well that it
annoys you (the generic you, not "you", you), if their goal is to
annoy....they won't change.
The following items are bound to start arguments/flames etc. in my home
base community (most of these are specific to SBS, so my apologies)
1. One nic versus two
2. Antivirus choice (with the exception of Norton Yellow Box consumer
which is nearly universally hated by all in IT)
3. Sonicwall versus ISA server
4. .local/.lan versus .com
5. the lack of inclusion of DFSv2 in SBS 2003 R2
So I guess if you are doing a list of Arguments/Flamewars in this
community I guess I will say
1. The use or non use of M$ :-)
Sometimes you just have to let it roll off your back. :-)
How about a lighter less argumentative topic change: So how about those
USA elections, 'eh? What's your thoughts about Stem Cell Research?
Laura A. Robinson wrote:
> Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a
> specific person.
> Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those
> of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before
> I became a Microsoft employee.
> That said...
>
> You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that
> there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm
> not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet
> you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's
> therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. If you meet
> somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the
> nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you
> have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do
> you think it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a
> Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people
> that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people?
>
> This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
> senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the
> "M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than
> you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you
> to use it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and
> ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the
> use of the term, regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive
> about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally posted it
> to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that
> boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it"
> before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that
> very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to
> continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting
> moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
>
> Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public
> seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their
> own time and money to charitable organizations. I can give you
> statistics if you like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of
> per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the
> company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness
> to those employees, IMO.
>
> Laura
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Bahta,
> Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor
> preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just
> dont laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere
> is laughing at them. Just not you.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Laura
> A. Robinson
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
> isn't. Go figure.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just
> that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and
> people here laugh at it all the time.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Robert Rutherford
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> ;oP
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> Robert Rutherford
> QuoStar Solutions Limited
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>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Laura A. Robinson
> *Sent:* 13 November 2006 12:16
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
> There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you
> know. ;-)
>
>
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Robert Rutherford
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> Can we kill this thread now, please?
>
>
>
> Rob
>
> Robert Rutherford
> QuoStar Solutions Limited
>
> T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331
> F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Laura A. Robinson
> *Sent:* 13 November 2006 11:31
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
> Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's
> merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur.
> Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I
> don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and
> expect its members to think that's funny.
>
>
>
> I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as
> "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I
> have been known to reference both myself. However, I
> remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
> those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I
> think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it
> on a Microsoft-centric list.
>
>
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a
> tounge in cheek expression and certainly a corporation
> like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as
> slang in its reference. Thats why we nickname really
> big guys tiny.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Albert Duro
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're
> missing the point. It's not wether anybody is
> offended or not -- the question is why does someone
> come into a peaceful gathering casting offense.
> Especially when it's not necessary. If someone
> deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
> 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget
> it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate --
> no worries.'
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
>
>
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>
>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
>
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
> I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence
> at what is surely as tongue in cheek expression.
>
>
>
> Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
>
>
>
> neil
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]*On
> Behalf Of *Laura A. Robinson
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
>
> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> Just out of curiosity, what makes people think
> it's appropriate to refer to Microsoft as "M$"
> on an MS-focused mailing list whose
> participants include Microsoft employees,
> Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and
> various other people who may have a relatively
> positive view of Microsoft?
>
>
>
> Laura
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Jitendra Kalyankar
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book
> on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
>
> This is the link to M$ to start
> with...very good info....
>
>
>
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sincerely,
> J
>
>
>
> On 11/9/06, *Stu Packett*
> > wrote:
>
> Hello everyone. After reading through a
> lot of the posts on this mailing list, I
> realize I could make my job easier if I
> knew how to script. I have no experience
> in scripting, but would like to know what
> books do you recommend as a beginner's
> book on scripting? Also, I don't really
> know the difference between WSH and
> VBScript, so if anyone could explain that,
> I'd appreciate that. After browsing
> through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH
> and VBScript, but don't know where I
> should focus on. I'm also open to
> computer based training (CBT) videos of
> any exist. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
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You know what I find amazing here?
That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when it, truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use "M$" in conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them. It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar "elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same column of idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm writing is because you are still lending your professional credence to a nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you have been in numerous environments where people do things like thesein attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO, injurious to your reputation.
So, Laura ..... shut up already.
Sincerely, _____ (, / | /) /) /) /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_(_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Serviceswww.akomolafe.com- we know IT-5.75, -3.23Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon
From: Laura A. RobinsonSent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me. Ifyou meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people?
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use ofthe term, regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just dont laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing at them. Just not you.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go figure.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people here laugh at it all the time.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
Robert Rutherford QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: +44 (0) 7974 249 494 E: robert.rutherford@quostar.com W: www.quostar.com
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006 12:16To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
Robert Rutherford QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331 F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332 M: +44 (0) 7974 249 494 E: robert.rutherford@quostar.com W: www.quostar.com
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006 11:31To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why wenickname really big guys tiny.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
-- Sincerely,J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how to script. I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on. I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in advance.
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We love you Laura, and if you love us 0.00001% than we do please
stop this before you start argue about racial, political, Christian, etc opinions
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic
"you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent
those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I
became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed
that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not
the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
Please explain this logic to me. Ifyou meet somebody who asks you not to
call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to
call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal
issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to
justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by
Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those
people?
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the
"M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than
you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use
it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it
never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use ofthe term,
regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly
occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he
didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so
you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to
use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it
particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate,
slighting moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public
seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time
and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like;
Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The
insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a
tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor
preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just dont
laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing
at them. Just not you.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
isn't. Go figure.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that,
not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people here
laugh at it all the time.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331
F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject
line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331
F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely
"slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to
use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless
air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as
"borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I
have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of
"M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think
it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it
on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in
cheek expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why wenickname
really big guys tiny.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory
is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's not wether
anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a
peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not
necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even
worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely
as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's
appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused
mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft
contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra
Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very
good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through
a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier
if I knew how to script. I have no experience in scripting, but would
like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on
scripting? Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and
VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After
browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't
know where I should focus on. I'm also open to computer based training
(CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in advance.
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Laura,
I apologize if I offended you by using M$. I was not
the originator of the terms usage, nor did I condone it to be used
offensively. I was simply trying to show you that there are plenty of
reasons people say things that are not intended to be offensive, but are just
poking fun. Here at work we poke fun at each other and its all in fun, not
intended to offend or humiliate anyone. Most of us in the Defense IT
community have a thicker skin, so a word used to poke fun at us does not
register on the scale at all because the world is full of it and letting one
word affect you like that may not be the most efficient way of dealing with the
majority of society. As I said if your feelings were hurt that was not my
intention, I hope you accept my sincere apologies. "You" do at some point
have to be the duck and let the water, no matter how cold, roll down your
back.
Nate
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
TeodorescuSent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:53 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
We
love you Laura, and if you love us 0.00001% than we do please stop this before
you start argue about racial, political, Christian, etc opinions
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006
2:32 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer
#1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific
person.
Disclaimer
#2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer.
They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft
employee.
That
said...
You know
what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people
who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just
the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because
*you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic
to me. Ifyou meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he
hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you
have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think
it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that
is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to
some of those people?
This
isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor.
It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to
her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to
assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that
incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or
defend the use ofthe term, regardless of whether you think I'm
oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally
posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that
boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before
stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of
him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use
of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's
"funny".
Most
Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think,
and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and money to
charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is
actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon
referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and
rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent:
Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Exactly,
is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor preferences on someone
because you consider it unfunny. You just dont laugh. You can't
stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing at them. Just not
you.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Laura A. RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13,
2006 8:20 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly.
M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go
figure.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13, 2006
7:46 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless
Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that, not funny.
Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people here laugh at it
all the time.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
;oP
Rob
Robert
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006 12:16To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
There's
a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Can
we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
Robert
Rutherford QuoStar
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006 11:31To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Clearly
there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether
it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I
mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its
members to think that's funny.
I
don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about
"drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both
myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of
those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant
and inappropriate for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13,
2006 5:48 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
You
have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek
expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at
itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why
wenickname really big guys tiny.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert
DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
being
conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're missing the point.
It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does
someone come into a peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially
when it's not necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the
dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just
forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no
worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From:
neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent:
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject:
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I
highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as
tongue in cheek expression.
Let's
not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura
A. RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14
PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just
out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's appropriate to
refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose
participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors,
Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to
start with...very good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,J
On
11/9/06, Stu Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After
reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize
I could make my job easier if I knew how to script. I have
no experience in scripting, but would like to know what books do
you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I
don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if
anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After
browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript,
but don't know where I should focus on. I'm also open to
computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in
advance.
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