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I used them a lot for the same disadvantage Ώ] and then on top
of that, I AM American and then even brits aren’t sure if I’m joking as they
would be if they had said the same thing. J (obligatory smiley)
Ώ] that dry sense of humor - American friends often look at me
like “you did not seriously say that” and I’m like “um, it’s a joke, of course,
as if I would really say that seriously!”
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Paul Williams
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 2:21 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
This
brings an interesting point. People seem to need smileys these
days. I use them a lot, but mainly because I understand that my American
friends and collegues don't really get some of our humour. Therefore,
when I'm being overly facetious, or perhaps a tad witty, I often need to put a
smiley in there so that the applicable person doesn't take offense. The
need for such things is even larger with a larger language divide, e.g. a
European or Asian who's first language isn't English.
It's
a shame that we have to resort to it, but sometimes it does help show someone
that we're only joking.
--Paul
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From: Akomolafe, Deji
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Thursday, November
16, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
>>>you should have used a smiley
There was a time, way back when.... so way back we may need a time
machine ...... that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to
every public discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as
"smiley", yet humans go along fine. OK, maybe not "fine",
but we did survive. And yes, not all interactions were in-person in those eons
gone by. Tattooing those Avian Carriers Ώ] with colorful smileys would have
been painful and awkward, no? Please don't equate thenon-existence of
smiley with malice.
In
my case, lack of the approximate voice inflectionor facial expression was
not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have gone over
correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have inscribed
therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't even
accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.
>>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just
the same.
IF
you think spelling your name with a little "j" makes you
"little", then you are even boobier than meΐ]
Ώ]For
the overly-curious - http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.htmland http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
ΐ]OK,
so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and I'll pull it
out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type with it until
then.
Sincerely,
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From: joe
Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this
is the only thread I can find that you haveresponded to....
It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy,
why bother?
If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably
consider it strike 1. While Lauracan be feisty, many people do think she
is important. I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been
extremely helpful both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in
personal email and in person though in those forums as well she may get fiesty.
Feisty doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and how
willing people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can be a
complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being helpful
occasionally.
So whileI don't consider this strike 1 for you,I do
hope that you contribute in a positive meaningfulmanner at some point as
Laura has done on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.
Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part
and parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little boring
as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a great
many of the"personalities" on the list and looking forward to
meeting even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times.OT is in
the subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
thrilled with this type of chatter.
My only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even
if it were Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley.Knowing all of you
personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
fight...;o)
If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo
outfits so people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side
wagers and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be
fun just the same.
joe
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:35 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I’m too lazy to write and send you the bill (result : no
explanation) and also I’m too bored to enter in this “game” where you need to
be, let’s say “important”
Over and out (mom)
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I'm afraid I don't grok what your point is.
Laura (Robinson, not Hunter. Also not Chappell.)
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That’s love J
Grow up people
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I've been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to
you. I've been wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from
you. So, when another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private conversation
I started wondering again.
Something
just didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura"to an innocuous
statement that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I
didn't expect "Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of
fact, I expected hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept
wondering.......
Well,
I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies. I thought
you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/-
WARNING, adult language). I am very sorry.
Sincerely,
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-anon
From: Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That last line really was unnecessary, Deji.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You know what I find amazing here?
That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when
it, truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use
"M$" in conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them.
It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar
"elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same column of
idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm
writing is because you are still lending your professional credence to a
nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that
you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you
have been in numerous environments where people do things like thesein
attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO,
injurious to your reputation.
So, Laura ..... shut up already.
Sincerely,
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-anon
From: Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic
"you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent
those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I
became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed
that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not
the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
Please explain this logic to me. Ifyou meet somebody who asks you not to
call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to
call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal
issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to
justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by
Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those
people?
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the
"M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than
you realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use
it. Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it
never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use ofthe term,
regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly
occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he
didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so
you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to
use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it
particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate,
slighting moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public
seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time
and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like;
Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The
insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a
tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor
preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just dont
laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing
at them. Just not you.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
isn't. Go figure.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that,
not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people here
laugh at it all the time.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331
F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332
M: +44 (0) 7974 249 494
E: robert.rutherford@quostar.com
W: www.quostar.com
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject
line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions Limited
T: +44 (0) 8456 440 331
F: +44 (0) 8456 440 332
M: +44 (0) 7974 249 494
E: robert.rutherford@quostar.com
W: www.quostar.com
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely
"slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to
use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless
air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as
"borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I
have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of
"M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think
it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it
on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in
cheek expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why wenickname
really big guys tiny.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory
is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's not wether
anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a
peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not
necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say
'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even
worse, 'he hit someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely
as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's
appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused
mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft
contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra
Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very
good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through
a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier
if I knew how to script. I have no experience in scripting, but would
like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on
scripting? Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and
VBScript, so if anyone could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After
browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't
know where I should focus on. I'm also open to computer based training
(CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in advance.
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Joe, I’m curious, how much space does 41,000 posts from this
list take up, is it in a PST, and would it fit on a DVD? ;-)
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:12 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this
is the only thread I can find that you haveresponded to....
It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy,
why bother?
If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably
consider it strike 1. While Lauracan be feisty, many people do think she
is important. I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been
extremely helpful both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in
personal email and in person though in those forums as well she may get fiesty.
Feisty doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and how
willing people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can be a
complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being helpful
occasionally.
So whileI don't consider this strike 1 for you,I do
hope that you contribute in a positive meaningfulmanner at some point as
Laura has done on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.
Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part
and parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little boring
as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a great
many of the"personalities" on the list and looking forward to
meeting even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times.OT is in
the subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
thrilled with this type of chatter.
My only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even
if it were Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley.Knowing all of you
personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
fight...;o)
If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo
outfits so people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side
wagers and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be
fun just the same.
joe
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:35 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I’m too lazy to write and send you the bill (result : no
explanation) and also I’m too bored to enter in this “game” where you need to
be, let’s say “important”
Over and out (mom)
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I'm afraid I don't grok what your point is.
Laura (Robinson, not Hunter. Also not Chappell.)
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
Teodorescu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That’s love J
Grow up people
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I've been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to
you. I've been wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from
you. So, when another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private
conversation I started wondering again.
Something
just didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura"to an innocuous
statement that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I
didn't expect "Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of
fact, I expected hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept
wondering.......
Well,
I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies. I thought
you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/-
WARNING, adult language). I am very sorry.
Sincerely,
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-anon
From: Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That last line really was unnecessary, Deji.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You know what I find amazing here?
That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when
it, truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use
"M$" in conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them.
It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar
"elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same column of
idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm
writing is because you are still lending your professional credence to a
nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that
you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you
have been in numerous environments where people do things like thesein
attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO,
injurious to your reputation.
So, Laura ..... shut up already.
Sincerely,
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From: Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic
"you", not a specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent
those of my employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I
became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed
that there *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not
the only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
Please explain this logic to me. Ifyou meet somebody who asks you not to
call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to
call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal
issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to
justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by
Microsoft-centric people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those
people?
This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different
senses of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the
"M$" term is offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you
realize) and you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it.
Some people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never
occur to you simply to not use or defend the use ofthe term, regardless
of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the
person who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to
have an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to
just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the
term. I found that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly
adult to continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting
moniker because *you* think it's "funny".
Most Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public
seems to think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time
and money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you like;
Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The
insistence upon referring to the company as "M$" displays a
tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:44 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor
preferences on someone because you consider it unfunny. You just dont
laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is laughing
at them. Just not you.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$
isn't. Go figure.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that,
not funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and people here
laugh at it all the time.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
Robert Rutherford
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject
line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert
Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are differing opinions about whether it's merely
"slang" or whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to
use it, don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless
air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as
"borg" or talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I
have been known to reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$"
(unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think it's funny), and
I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for people to use it on a
Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in
cheek expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself
when M$ is used as slang in its reference. Thats why wenickname
really big guys tiny.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory
is laudable, but I think you're missing the point. It's not wether
anybody is offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a
peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's not necessary.
If someone deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he
didn't hit any plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit
someone else's plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely
as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of Laura A.
Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's
appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an MS-focused
mailing list whose participants include Microsoft employees, Microsoft
contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other people who may have a relatively
positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra
Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very
good info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, Stu
Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through
a lot of the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier
if I knew how to script. I have no experience in scripting, but would
like to know what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting?
Also, I don't really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone
could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I
saw several books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus
on. I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any
exist. Thanks in advance.
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(Now I have to poke my mental eyes out
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of joe
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006
6:39 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with
padding. And carry hershey's kisses in my cheeks like a squirrel.
--
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006
4:37 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>>>you should have used a smiley
There was a time, way back when.... so
way back we may need a time machine ...... that malicious intentions are not
the default attributions to every public discourse. In those days, there was no
such thing as "smiley", yet humans go along fine. OK, maybe not
"fine", but we did survive. And yes, not all interactions were
in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian Carriers Ώ] with
colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no? Please don't equate
thenon-existence of smiley with malice.
In my case, lack of the approximate voice inflectionor
facial expression was not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity
wouldn't have gone over correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I
could have inscribed therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your
audience" is a time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case.
Boob doesn't even accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.
>>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just
the same.
IF you think spelling your name with a little "j"
makes you "little", then you are even boobier than meΐ]
Ώ]For the overly-curious - http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.htmland
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
ΐ]OK, so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm
for you, and I'll pull it out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not
to type with it until then.
Sincerely,
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From: joe
Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is
the only thread I can find that you haveresponded to....
It begs one question? If it is so beneath
you and you are so lazy, why bother?
If this is your way of introducing
yourself, some will probably consider it strike 1. While Lauracan be
feisty, many people do think she is important. I happen to be one of those
people. Certainly she has been extremely helpful both here and in the
newsgroups and is positively great in personal email and in person though in
those forums as well she may get fiesty. Feisty doesn't bother me, what is
important is technical quality and how willing people are to share that quality
and knowledge. I personally can be a complete ass and kick sand on people, I
try to temper it by also being helpful occasionally.
So whileI don't consider this strike
1 for you,I do hope that you contribute in a positive
meaningfulmanner at some point as Laura has done on many occasions and
hopefully will continue to do so.
Also, while this thread and others like it
are off base, it is part and parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go
away any time soon. I don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list
might get a little boring as there are strong "personalities" in this
space and the collisions are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has
met personally a great many of the"personalities" on the list
and looking forward to meeting even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at
times.OT is in the subject, that is clearly something that folks can
filter out if they aren't thrilled with this type of chatter.
My only other comment on this at this
point is Deji you boob, even if it were Laura Hunter, you should have used a
smiley.Knowing all of you personally... I know that either one of them
could take you in a fist fight...;o)
If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing
ring and those sumo outfits so people can slam each other in person all in fun.
We could have side wagers and everything. Little guys like me won't have a
chance but it would be fun just the same.
joe
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Teodorescu
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006
10:35 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I’m too lazy
to write and send you the bill (result : no explanation) and also I’m too
bored to enter in this “game” where you need to be, let’s say
“important”
Over and out (mom)
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006
3:48 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I'm afraid I don't grok what your point
is.
Laura (Robinson, not Hunter. Also not
Chappell.)
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Teodorescu
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006
4:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That’s love J
Grow up people
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006
8:45 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I've been wondering all
day, even after my private mea culpa to you. I've been wondering why that last
line would elicit such reaction from you. So, when another trusted fellow
brought up the issue in a private conversation I started wondering again.
Something just didn't compute. I expected "Shut
up, Laura"to an innocuous statement that will be met with a smiley
or VBEG from "Laura". I didn't expect "Laura" to take
umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of fact, I expected hugs and kisses and
flowers and whatnot. So, I kept wondering.......
Well, I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up,
Laura. Beaucoup apologies. I thought you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/-
WARNING, adult language). I am very sorry.
Sincerely,
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From:
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
That last line really was
unnecessary, Deji.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
8:39 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You know what I find
amazing here?
That you felt compelled
to lend more visibility to this topic, when it, truly, does not deserve an iota
of your time. I see people use "M$" in conversations, I note their
names and learn to avoid them. It's the same thing I do with people who use "1337"
and similar "elite-speak" in conversation. I put them all in the same
column of idiotic wannabes and move on. The only reason I feel impelled to
write what I'm writing is because you are still lending your professional
credence to a nonentity who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm
surprised that you are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I
know that you have been in numerous environments where people do things like
thesein attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention
is, IMNSHO, injurious to your reputation.
So, Laura ..... shut up
already.
Sincerely,
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From:
Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Disclaimer #1:
"You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a
specific person.
Disclaimer #2: My
opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my employer. They're my
own, and they were my opinions long before I became a Microsoft employee.
That said...
You know what I find
amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there *are* people who find
the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the only one; I'm just the only
one who states it publicly), yet you're still arguing that because *you* think
it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it. Please explain this logic to me.
Ifyou meet somebody who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because
he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you
do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why
do you think it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a
Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people that
you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people?
This isn't about political
correctness and it isn't about different senses of humor. It's about somebody
having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is offensive to her (and,
again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you continuing to assert that
it's just fine for you to use it. Some people might consider that incredibly
childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to you simply to not use or defend
the use ofthe term, regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive
about it? It certainly occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop
using the term, and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to
"I think it's funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating
that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't,
however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a
tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's
"funny".
Most Microsoft employees
are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to think, and yet, the VAST
majority of them contribute their own time and money to charitable
organizations. I can give you statistics if you like; Microsoft is actually
first in terms of per-capita employee philanthropy. The insistence upon
referring to the company as "M$" displays a tremendous amount of
ignorance and rudeness to those employees, IMO.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF
NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
8:44 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly, is exactly
right. You cant impose your own humor preferences on someone because you
consider it unfunny. You just dont laugh. You can't stop bad jokes,
because someone, somewhere is laughing at them. Just not you.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
8:20 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly. M$ just isn't
funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go figure.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF
NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
7:46 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Useless Air Farce would
not be found funny because its just that, not funny. Funnier is US Chair
Force. Thats funny, and people here laugh at it all the time.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
7:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
Rob
Robert Rutherford
QuoStar Solutions
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 12:16
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's a reason for the
"OT" portion of the subject line, you know. ;-)
Laura
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On
Behalf Of Robert Rutherford
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
6:42 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Can we kill this thread
now, please?
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: 13 November 2006 11:31
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Clearly there are
differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or whether it's
an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it, don't you think? I mean, I
don't refer to the USAF as the "useless air farce" and expect its
members to think that's funny.
I don't take offense when
people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or talk about "drinking the
Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to reference both myself. However, I
remember the origin of "M$" (unlike, I suspect, some of those who use
the phrase and think it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate
for people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From:
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NASIC/SCNA
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006
5:48 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
You have to be able to
laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in cheek expression and certainly a
corporation like Microsoft can laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its
reference. Thats why wenickname really big guys tiny.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Albert Duro
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006
10:27 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I think you're
missing the point. It's not wether anybody is offended or not -- the
question is why does someone come into a peaceful gathering casting
offense. Especially when it's not necessary. If someone
deliberately spits on the dinner table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any
plate, let's just forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's
plate -- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent:
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject:
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I highly doubt
that any MS employee takes offence at what is surely as tongue in cheek
expression.
Let's not get
_too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On
Behalf Of Laura A. Robinson
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
6:14 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just out of curiosity,
whatmakes people think it's appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as
"M$" on an MS-focused mailing list whose participants include
Microsoft employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various other
people who may have a relatively positiveview of Microsoft?
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Jitendra Kalyankar
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006
10:16 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Beginner's
Book on Scripting - WSH or VBScript?
This is the link to M$ to start with...very good
info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,
J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett wrote:
Hello everyone. After reading through a lot of
the posts on this mailing list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew
how to script. I have no experience in scripting, but would like to know
what books do you recommend as a beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't
really know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone could explain
that, I'd appreciate that. After browsing through Amazon, I saw several
books on WSH and VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on. I'm
also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of any exist. Thanks in
advance.
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Rich. It makes you funnier ;-)
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Rich Milburn
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:11
PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I
used them a lot for the same disadvantage Ώ] and then on top of that, I AM
American and then even brits arent sure if Im joking as they would be if
they had said the same thing. J
(obligatory smiley)
Ώ]
that dry sense of humor - American friends often look at me like you did not
seriously say that and Im like um, its a joke, of course, as if I would
really say that seriously!
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]
On Behalf Of Paul WilliamsSent: Friday, November 17, 2006
2:21 AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
This brings an
interesting point. People seem to need smileys these days. I use
them a lot, but mainly because I understand that my American friends and
collegues don't really get some of our humour. Therefore, when I'm being
overly facetious, or perhaps a tad witty, I often need to put a smiley in
there so that the applicable person doesn't take offense. The need for
such things is even larger with a larger language divide, e.g. a European or
Asian who's first language isn't English.
It's a shame that
we have to resort to it, but sometimes it does help show someone that we're
only joking.
--Paul
----- Original
Message -----
From: Akomolafe,
Deji
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent: Thursday,
November 16, 2006 9:36 PM
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
OT: M$
>>>you
should have used a smiley
There
was a time, way back when.... so way back we may need a time machine ......
that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to every public
discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as "smiley", yet humans go
along fine. OK, maybe not "fine", but we did survive. And yes, not all
interactions were in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian
Carriers Ώ] with colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no?
Please don't equate thenon-existence of smiley with
malice.
In my case, lack
of the approximate voice inflectionor facial expression was not
responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have gone over
correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have inscribed
therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't
even accurately describe it. So, let's say
Boobier.
>>>Little
guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just the same.
IF you think
spelling your name with a little "j" makes you "little", then you are even
boobier than meΐ]
Ώ]For the
overly-curious - http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.htmland http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
ΐ]OK, so now I
owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and I'll pull it out and
show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type with it until
then.
Sincerely,
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From:
joeSent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Adrian,
of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is the only
thread I can find that you haveresponded to....
It
begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy, why
bother?
If
this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably consider it
strike 1. While Lauracan be feisty, many people do think she is
important. I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been
extremely helpful both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in
personal email and in person though in those forums as well she may get
fiesty. Feisty doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and
how willing people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can
be a complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being
helpful occasionally.
So
whileI don't consider this strike 1 for you,I do hope that you
contribute in a positive meaningfulmanner at some point as Laura has
done on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.
Also,
while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part and parcel of
this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I don't even
wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little boring as there
are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions are inevitable.
From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a great many of
the"personalities" on the list and looking forward to meeting even
more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times.OT is in the
subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
thrilled with this type of chatter.
My
only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even if it were
Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley.Knowing all of you
personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
fight...;o)
If
Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo outfits so
people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side wagers
and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun
just the same.
joe
--
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Active Directory Third Edition - http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
TeodorescuSent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:35
AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Im
too lazy to write and send you the bill (result : no explanation) and also
Im too bored to enter in this game where you need to be, lets say
important
Over
and out (mom)
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura A.
RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:48 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
I'm
afraid I don't grok what your point is.
Laura
(Robinson, not Hunter. Also not Chappell.)
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
TeodorescuSent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:03
AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Thats
love J
Grow
up people
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe,
DejiSent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
I've
been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to you. I've been
wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from you. So, when
another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private conversation I
started wondering again.
Something just
didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura"to an innocuous statement
that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I didn't expect
"Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of fact, I expected
hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept
wondering.......
Well, I'm
wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies. I
thought you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/- WARNING, adult
language). I am very sorry.
Sincerely,
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From:
Laura A. RobinsonSent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
That
last line really was unnecessary, Deji.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Akomolafe, DejiSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39
PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
You
know what I find amazing here?
That
you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when it,
truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use "M$" in
conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them. It's the same
thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar "elite-speak" in
conversation. I put them all in the same column of idiotic wannabes and
move on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm writing is
because you are still lending your professional credence to a nonentity
who should have been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that you
are expending so much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you
have been in numerous environments where people do things like
thesein attempts to garner attention. Giving them the undeserved
attention is, IMNSHO, injurious to your reputation.
So,
Laura ..... shut up already.
Sincerely,
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From:
Laura A. RobinsonSent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Disclaimer
#1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific
person.
Disclaimer
#2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my
employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became
a Microsoft employee.
That
said...
You
know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there
*are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the
only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're
still arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay
to use it. Please explain this logic to me. Ifyou meet somebody
who asks you not to call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do
you make a point to call him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some
serious personal issues. If you don't do that, then why do you think
it's okay to continue to justify using a name on a Microsoft-centric
list that is populated by Microsoft-centric people that you've been told
*is* offensive to some of those people?
This
isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses of
humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is
offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and
you continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some
people might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it
never occur to you simply to not use or defend the use ofthe term,
regardless of whether you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly
occurred to the person who originally posted it to stop using the term,
and he didn't have to have an argument that boils down to "I think it's
funny, so you need to just get over it" before stating that he wouldn't
continue to use the term. I found that very adult of him. I don't,
however, find it particularly adult to continue to defend the use of a
tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker because *you* think it's
"funny".
Most
Microsoft employees are not nearly as well-paid as the public seems to
think, and yet, the VAST majority of them contribute their own time and
money to charitable organizations. I can give you statistics if you
like; Microsoft is actually first in terms of per-capita employee
philanthropy. The insistence upon referring to the company as "M$"
displays a tremendous amount of ignorance and rudeness to those
employees, IMO.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bahta,
Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday, November 13,
2006 8:44 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Exactly,
is exactly right. You cant impose your own humor preferences on
someone because you consider it unfunny. You just dont
laugh. You can't stop bad jokes, because someone, somewhere is
laughing at them. Just not you.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Laura
A. RobinsonSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:20
AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Exactly.
M$ just isn't funny. Borg, kool-aid, those are funny. M$ isn't. Go
figure.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent: Monday,
November 13, 2006 7:46 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT:
M$
Useless
Air Farce would not be found funny because its just that, not
funny. Funnier is US Chair Force. Thats funny, and
people here laugh at it all the time.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Robert RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006 7:32
AMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
;oP
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Laura A. RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006
12:16To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject:
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
There's
a reason for the "OT" portion of the subject line, you know.
;-)
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Robert RutherfordSent: Monday, November 13, 2006
6:42 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir]
OT: M$
Can
we kill this thread now, please?
Rob
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From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Laura A. RobinsonSent: 13 November 2006
11:31To:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir]
OT: M$
Clearly
there are differing opinions about whether it's merely "slang" or
whether it's an inappropriate slur. Simpler just not to use it,
don't you think? I mean, I don't refer to the USAF as the "useless
air farce" and expect its members to think that's funny.
I
don't take offense when people refer to Microsoft as "borg" or
talk about "drinking the Kool-Aid"; in fact, I have been known to
reference both myself. However, I remember the origin of "M$"
(unlike, I suspect, some of those who use the phrase and think
it's funny), and I think it's ignorant and inappropriate for
people to use it on a Microsoft-centric list.
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Bahta, Nathaniel V CTR USAF NASIC/SCNASent:
Monday, November 13, 2006 5:48 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: RE: [ActiveDir]
OT: M$
You
have to be able to laugh at yourself. M$ is a tounge in
cheek expression and certainly a corporation like Microsoft can
laugh at itself when M$ is used as slang in its reference.
Thats why wenickname really big guys tiny.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
Albert DuroSent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 10:27
PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject:
Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
being conciliatory is laudable, but I
think you're missing the point. It's not wether anybody is
offended or not -- the question is why does someone come into a
peaceful gathering casting offense. Especially when it's
not necessary. If someone deliberately spits on the dinner
table, do you say 'oh, well, he didn't hit any plate, let's just
forget it' ? or even worse, 'he hit someone else's plate
-- no worries.'
----- Original Message -----
From: neil.ruston@uk.nomura.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Sent:
Friday, November 10, 2006 9:08 AM
Subject:
RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
I
highly doubt that any MS employee takes offence at what is
surely as tongue in cheek expression.
Let's
not get _too_ PC please :/
neil
-----Original
Message-----From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org]On Behalf Of
Laura A. RobinsonSent: Thursday, November 09,
2006 6:14 PMTo: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject:
[ActiveDir] OT: M$
Just
out of curiosity, whatmakes people think it's
appropriate to refer toMicrosoft as "M$" on an
MS-focused mailing list whose participants include Microsoft
employees, Microsoft contractors, Microsoft MVPs and various
other people who may have a relatively positiveview of
Microsoft?
Laura
From:
ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf
Of Jitendra KalyankarSent: Thursday,
November 09, 2006 10:16 AMTo:
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.orgSubject: Re:
[ActiveDir] Beginner's Book on Scripting - WSH or
VBScript?
This is the link to M$
to start with...very good
info....
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnanchor/html/scriptinga.asp
--
Sincerely,J
On 11/9/06, Stu Packett
wrote:
Hello everyone.
After reading through a lot of the posts on this mailing
list, I realize I could make my job easier if I knew how
to script. I have no experience in scripting, but
would like to know what books do you recommend as a
beginner's book on scripting? Also, I don't really
know the difference between WSH and VBScript, so if anyone
could explain that, I'd appreciate that. After
browsing through Amazon, I saw several books on WSH and
VBScript, but don't know where I should focus on.
I'm also open to computer based training (CBT) videos of
any exist. Thanks in advance.
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Laura E. Hunter"
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 15:11:47
To:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
Great, thanks joe. Now I have to go stab my eyes out with a fork.
It's worse than Princess Jorge in the lederhosen at Oktoberfest.
On 11/17/06, joe wrote:
>
> I wear boots with lifts. Shirts with padding. And carry hershey's kisses in
> my cheeks like a squirrel.
>
> --
> O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Akomolafe, Deji
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 4:37 PM
>
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
> >>>you should have used a smiley
> There was a time, way back when.... so way back we may need a time machine
> ...... that malicious intentions are not the default attributions to every
> public discourse. In those days, there was no such thing as "smiley", yet
> humans go along fine. OK, maybe not "fine", but we did survive. And yes, not
> all interactions were in-person in those eons gone by. Tattooing those Avian
> Carriers Ώ] with colorful smileys would have been painful and awkward, no?
> Please don't equate the non-existence of smiley with malice.
>
> In my case, lack of the approximate voice inflection or facial expression
> was not responsible for the faux pas. The attempt at levity wouldn't have
> gone over correctly, regardless of how many grinning mascots I could have
> inscribed therein. The audience was wrong. Simple. "Know your audience" is a
> time-tested maxim, and I just failed to do so in this case. Boob doesn't
> even accurately describe it. So, let's say Boobier.
>
> >>>Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun just the
> same.
>
> IF you think spelling your name with a little "j" makes you "little", then
> you are even boobier than meΐ]
>
>
> Ώ]For the overly-curious -
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2549.html and
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1149.html
> ΐ]OK, so now I owe you a smiley, eh? I'm keeping it warm for you, and I'll
> pull it out and show it to you when I see you. I promise not to type with it
> until then.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> _____
> (, / | /) /) /)
> /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> (_/ /)
> (/
> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
> -5.75, -3.23
> Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> Yesterday? -anon
>
> ________________________________
> From: joe
> Sent: Thu 11/16/2006 8:12 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> Adrian, of the 41,000+ messages I have archived for this list, this is the
> only thread I can find that you have responded to....
>
> It begs one question? If it is so beneath you and you are so lazy, why
> bother?
>
> If this is your way of introducing yourself, some will probably consider it
> strike 1. While Laura can be feisty, many people do think she is important.
> I happen to be one of those people. Certainly she has been extremely helpful
> both here and in the newsgroups and is positively great in personal email
> and in person though in those forums as well she may get fiesty. Feisty
> doesn't bother me, what is important is technical quality and how willing
> people are to share that quality and knowledge. I personally can be a
> complete ass and kick sand on people, I try to temper it by also being
> helpful occasionally.
>
> So while I don't consider this strike 1 for you, I do hope that you
> contribute in a positive meaningful manner at some point as Laura has done
> on many occasions and hopefully will continue to do so.
>
>
> Also, while this thread and others like it are off base, it is part and
> parcel of this list and I don't expect them to go away any time soon. I
> don't even wish that they do... If they do, the list might get a little
> boring as there are strong "personalities" in this space and the collisions
> are inevitable. From the standpoint of someone who has met personally a
> great many of the "personalities" on the list and looking forward to meeting
> even more, I actually find it oddly enjoyable at times. OT is in the
> subject, that is clearly something that folks can filter out if they aren't
> thrilled with this type of chatter.
>
>
> My only other comment on this at this point is Deji you boob, even if it
> were Laura Hunter, you should have used a smiley. Knowing all of you
> personally... I know that either one of them could take you in a fist
> fight... ;o)
>
> If Gil has his ears on, DEC needs a boxing ring and those sumo outfits so
> people can slam each other in person all in fun. We could have side wagers
> and everything. Little guys like me won't have a chance but it would be fun
> just the same.
>
> joe
>
>
> --
> O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Adrian Teodorescu
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 10:35 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
>
> I'm too lazy to write and send you the bill (result : no explanation) and
> also I'm too bored to enter in this "game" where you need to be, let's say
> "important"
>
> Over and out (mom)
>
>
>
>
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Laura A. Robinson
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 3:48 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
>
> I'm afraid I don't grok what your point is.
>
>
>
>
>
> Laura (Robinson, not Hunter. Also not Chappell.)
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Adrian Teodorescu
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:03 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
> That's love J
>
> Grow up people
>
>
>
>
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Akomolafe, Deji
> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:45 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
>
>
> I've been wondering all day, even after my private mea culpa to you. I've
> been wondering why that last line would elicit such reaction from you. So,
> when another trusted fellow brought up the issue in a private conversation I
> started wondering again.
>
>
>
>
>
> Something just didn't compute. I expected "Shut up, Laura" to an innocuous
> statement that will be met with a smiley or VBEG from "Laura". I didn't
> expect "Laura" to take umbrage at that phrase. As a matter of fact, I
> expected hugs and kisses and flowers and whatnot. So, I kept
> wondering.......
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I'm wondering no more. I got you mixed up, Laura. Beaucoup apologies.
> I thought you were Laura Hunter (http://www.shutuplaura.com/ - WARNING,
> adult language). I am very sorry.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> _____
> (, / | /) /) /)
> /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> (_/ /)
> (/
> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
> -5.75, -3.23
> Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> Yesterday? -anon
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Laura A. Robinson
> Sent: Tue 11/14/2006 8:04 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> That last line really was unnecessary, Deji.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of
> Akomolafe, Deji
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 8:39 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> You know what I find amazing here?
>
>
>
>
>
> That you felt compelled to lend more visibility to this topic, when it,
> truly, does not deserve an iota of your time. I see people use "M$" in
> conversations, I note their names and learn to avoid them. It's the same
> thing I do with people who use "1337" and similar "elite-speak" in
> conversation. I put them all in the same column of idiotic wannabes and move
> on. The only reason I feel impelled to write what I'm writing is because you
> are still lending your professional credence to a nonentity who should have
> been duly ignored from the start. I'm surprised that you are expending so
> much energy in that exercise, seeing as I know that you have been in
> numerous environments where people do things like these in attempts to
> garner attention. Giving them the undeserved attention is, IMNSHO, injurious
> to your reputation.
>
>
>
>
>
> So, Laura ..... shut up already.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> _____
> (, / | /) /) /)
> /---| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _
> ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
> (_/ /)
> (/
> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> www.akomolafe.com - we know IT
> -5.75, -3.23
> Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> Yesterday? -anon
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Laura A. Robinson
> Sent: Mon 11/13/2006 4:31 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] OT: M$
>
>
> Disclaimer #1: "You" in the below refers to a generic "you", not a specific
> person.
>
>
> Disclaimer #2: My opinions are in no way intended to represent those of my
> employer. They're my own, and they were my opinions long before I became a
> Microsoft employee.
>
>
> That said...
>
>
>
>
>
> You know what I find amazing here? It has been clearly expressed that there
> *are* people who find the term irritating (and I assure you, I'm not the
> only one; I'm just the only one who states it publicly), yet you're still
> arguing that because *you* think it's funny, it's therefore okay to use it.
> Please explain this logic to me. If you meet somebody who asks you not to
> call him "Tiny" because he hates the nickname, do you make a point to call
> him "Tiny"? If you do, then you have some serious personal issues. If you
> don't do that, then why do you think it's okay to continue to justify using
> a name on a Microsoft-centric list that is populated by Microsoft-centric
> people that you've been told *is* offensive to some of those people?
>
>
>
>
>
> This isn't about political correctness and it isn't about different senses
> of humor. It's about somebody having stated flat-out that the "M$" term is
> offensive to her (and, again, to a lot more people than you realize) and you
> continuing to assert that it's just fine for you to use it. Some people
> might consider that incredibly childish and ignorant. Did it never occur to
> you simply to not use or defend the use of the term, regardless of whether
> you think I'm oversensitive about it? It certainly occurred to the person
> who originally posted it to stop using the term, and he didn't have to have
> an argument that boils down to "I think it's funny, so you need to just get
> over it" before stating that he wouldn't continue to use the term. I found
> that very adult of him. I don't, however, find it particularly adult to
> continue to defend the use of a tasteless, inaccurate, slighting moniker
> because *you* think it's "funny".
>
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