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tkern

Posts:8

10/15/2007 9:08 AM
anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

michael2

Posts:0

10/15/2007 9:23 AM
If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

tkern

Posts:8

10/15/2007 9:30 AM
not even for clustering? thanks On 10/15/07, Michael B. Smith wrote: > If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, > no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no > netbios requirements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 > still remain in exchange 2k7. > i can't seem to dig up any info. > > thanks and apologies for the OT... > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

Tony

Posts:150

10/15/2007 9:54 AM
http://blogs.technet.com/dlemson/archive/2006/09/07/454761.aspx Tony ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Tom Kern" Reply-To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 21:30:40 -0400 not even for clustering? thanks On 10/15/07, Michael B. Smith wrote: > If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, > no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no > netbios requirements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 > still remain in exchange 2k7. > i can't seem to dig up any info. > > thanks and apologies for the OT... > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx ________________________________________________________________ Sent via the WebMail system at mail.activedir.org List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

michael2

Posts:0

10/15/2007 10:04 AM
In an all 2007 environment I'm not aware of any. Setup of a mailbox cluster gives you the option of specifying FQDN or NetBIOS name. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:31 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 not even for clustering? thanks On 10/15/07, Michael B. Smith wrote: > If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, > no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no > netbios requirements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 > still remain in exchange 2k7. > i can't seem to dig up any info. > > thanks and apologies for the OT... > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

deji

Posts:262

10/16/2007 1:37 AM
Thanks, Michael. Going by the MS employee's statement, the word "eliminate" is misleading because you can achieve the same result in E2K/E2K3 by doing the same things prescribed in the statement. Rather than "eliminate", I think what they did is "illuminate" the cause of the perceived "dependency" and "expantiate" on how to work around it. People have been running E2K/E2K3 in single domain environments w/o WINS for years now, so it ought to be clear that there is no "dependency" to be eliminated. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:53 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD domain aware. Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not attributed, but he said it was public. :-) --- Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following domains on all Exchange servers: - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that Exchange will be talking to. - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it then that fits into this bucket) - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). --- -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? I'm very curious. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

deji

Posts:262

10/16/2007 1:42 AM
Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? I'm very curious. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

austin

Posts:49

10/16/2007 2:21 AM
Just to add to the debate as some form of confirmation that there is no dependency on WINS for E2K or E2K3, been running clustered Exchange servers for years in a 2 domain forest with no issues. We were illuminated on the perceived dependency and worked around it :-) Like that phrase! Couldn't throw in Expantiate tho.. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: 16 October 2007 18:38 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Thanks, Michael. Going by the MS employee's statement, the word "eliminate" is misleading because you can achieve the same result in E2K/E2K3 by doing the same things prescribed in the statement. Rather than "eliminate", I think what they did is "illuminate" the cause of the perceived "dependency" and "expantiate" on how to work around it. People have been running E2K/E2K3 in single domain environments w/o WINS for years now, so it ought to be clear that there is no "dependency" to be eliminated. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:53 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD domain aware. Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not attributed, but he said it was public. :-) --- Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following domains on all Exchange servers: - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that Exchange will be talking to. - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it then that fits into this bucket) - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). --- -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? I'm very curious. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. 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deji

Posts:262

10/16/2007 2:30 AM
I guess "Expantiate" will make it into the dictionary at some later date :) It connotes an expanded expansion of the points one is trying to make - gets the points across more forcefully - unlike simple "expatiate" :-p Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Austin Osuide [austin@osuide.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:21 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Just to add to the debate as some form of confirmation that there is no dependency on WINS for E2K or E2K3, been running clustered Exchange servers for years in a 2 domain forest with no issues. We were illuminated on the perceived dependency and worked around it :-) Like that phrase! Couldn't throw in Expantiate tho.. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: 16 October 2007 18:38 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Thanks, Michael. Going by the MS employee's statement, the word "eliminate" is misleading because you can achieve the same result in E2K/E2K3 by doing the same things prescribed in the statement. Rather than "eliminate", I think what they did is "illuminate" the cause of the perceived "dependency" and "expantiate" on how to work around it. People have been running E2K/E2K3 in single domain environments w/o WINS for years now, so it ought to be clear that there is no "dependency" to be eliminated. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:53 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD domain aware. Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not attributed, but he said it was public. :-) --- Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following domains on all Exchange servers: - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that Exchange will be talking to. - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it then that fits into this bucket) - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). --- -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? I'm very curious. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx This message may contain confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a digitally signed version. List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

austin

Posts:49

10/16/2007 2:38 AM
LOL!!! No Wonder I couldn't throw it in! Nice!! -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: 16 October 2007 19:30 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 I guess "Expantiate" will make it into the dictionary at some later date :) It connotes an expanded expansion of the points one is trying to make - gets the points across more forcefully - unlike simple "expatiate" :-p Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Austin Osuide [austin@osuide.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:21 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Just to add to the debate as some form of confirmation that there is no dependency on WINS for E2K or E2K3, been running clustered Exchange servers for years in a 2 domain forest with no issues. We were illuminated on the perceived dependency and worked around it :-) Like that phrase! Couldn't throw in Expantiate tho.. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: 16 October 2007 18:38 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Thanks, Michael. Going by the MS employee's statement, the word "eliminate" is misleading because you can achieve the same result in E2K/E2K3 by doing the same things prescribed in the statement. Rather than "eliminate", I think what they did is "illuminate" the cause of the perceived "dependency" and "expantiate" on how to work around it. People have been running E2K/E2K3 in single domain environments w/o WINS for years now, so it ought to be clear that there is no "dependency" to be eliminated. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:53 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD domain aware. Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not attributed, but he said it was public. :-) --- Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following domains on all Exchange servers: - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that Exchange will be talking to. - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it then that fits into this bucket) - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). --- -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? I'm very curious. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... 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tkern

Posts:8

10/16/2007 8:14 AM
i understand its a name resolution issue and not netbios but what about clustering? is accessing the cluster name a netbios or name resoltuion issue? thanks On 10/16/07, Austin Osuide wrote: > LOL!!! > No Wonder I couldn't throw it in! > Nice!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of > deji@readymaids.com > Sent: 16 October 2007 19:30 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > I guess "Expantiate" will make it into the dictionary at some later date > :) It connotes an expanded expansion of the points one is trying to make > - gets the points across more forcefully - unlike simple "expatiate" :-p > > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.com - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Austin Osuide > [austin@osuide.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:21 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > Just to add to the debate as some form of confirmation that there is no > dependency on WINS for E2K or E2K3, been running clustered Exchange > servers for years in a 2 domain forest with no issues. > We were illuminated on the perceived dependency and worked around it :-) > Like that phrase! Couldn't throw in Expantiate tho.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of > deji@readymaids.com > Sent: 16 October 2007 18:38 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > Thanks, Michael. > > Going by the MS employee's statement, the word "eliminate" is misleading > because you can achieve the same result in E2K/E2K3 by doing the same > things prescribed in the statement. Rather than "eliminate", I think > what they did is "illuminate" the cause of the perceived "dependency" > and "expantiate" on how to work around it. > > People have been running E2K/E2K3 in single domain environments w/o WINS > for years now, so it ought to be clear that there is no "dependency" to > be eliminated. > > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.com - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith > [michael@briworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:53 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP > was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for > Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. > > (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment > [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) > > Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an > organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server > name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD > domain aware. > > Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not > attributed, but he said it was public. :-) > > --- > > Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that > you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following > domains on all Exchange servers: > > - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that > Exchange will be talking to. > > - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking > to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it > then that fits into this bucket) > > - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the > Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). > > --- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of > deji@readymaids.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the > middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, > and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? > > I'm very curious. > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.com - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith > [michael@briworks.com] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, > no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no > netbios requirements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 > still remain in exchange 2k7. > i can't seem to dig up any info. > > thanks and apologies for the OT... > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > This message may contain confidential information and is intended only > for the individual named. > If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, > distribute or copy this e-mail. > Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or > omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of > e-mail transmission. > If verification is required please request a digitally signed version. > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

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10/16/2007 11:36 AM
Out of interest can somebody point me to somewhere that shows the netbios dependencies for Exchange 2003 (and 2000) I'm sure I used to work somewhere that had no WINS but ran these products without any problems, yet somebody told me the other day that WINS servers are indeed needed for them. Brett >-----Original Message----- >From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of >Michael B. Smith >Sent: 16 October 2007 02:24 >To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > >If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or >earlier servers, >no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no >netbios requirements. > >-----Original Message----- >From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM >To: activedirectory >Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > >anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 >still remain in exchange 2k7. >i can't seem to dig up any info. > >thanks and apologies for the OT... >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > -------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) may be privileged, confidential or proprietary, and if you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, do not use or share it and delete it. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Merrill Lynch. Subject to applicable law, Merrill Lynch may monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.ml.com/e-communications_terms/. By messaging with Merrill Lynch you consent to the foregoing. -------------------------------------------------------- List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

deji

Posts:262

10/16/2007 11:53 AM
You can indeed run exchange in a single domain without WINS and have no issue. When you get to multiple domains, then you begin to go into the "Exchange needs WINS" territory. But that territory is very misunderstood because, like I've been writing for a long time now, it is not because of a "WINS dependency", it is rather because of the need to be able to resolve NetBIOS names. You can still get Exchange to run happily without WINS in that "territory", using DNS by appropriately configuring your suffixes and naming your servers uniquely. I don't have the time to regurgitate the whole scenario right now, but it bothers me that people still talk about Exchange (or whatever) NEEDING WINS when it doesn't. It's all a naming resolution issue. Luckily, W2K8 takes us closer to finally debunking this myth for good. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Carr, Brett (GTI EMEA) [Brett_Carr@ml.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 8:36 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Out of interest can somebody point me to somewhere that shows the netbios dependencies for Exchange 2003 (and 2000) I'm sure I used to work somewhere that had no WINS but ran these products without any problems, yet somebody told me the other day that WINS servers are indeed needed for them. Brett >-----Original Message----- >From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of >Michael B. Smith >Sent: 16 October 2007 02:24 >To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > >If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or >earlier servers, >no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no >netbios requirements. > >-----Original Message----- >From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM >To: activedirectory >Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > >anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 >still remain in exchange 2k7. >i can't seem to dig up any info. > >thanks and apologies for the OT... >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > -------------------------------------------------------- This message w/attachments (message) may be privileged, confidential or proprietary, and if you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, do not use or share it and delete it. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Merrill Lynch. Subject to applicable law, Merrill Lynch may monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.ml.com/e-communications_terms/. By messaging with Merrill Lynch you consent to the foregoing. -------------------------------------------------------- List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

amulnick

Posts:163

10/16/2007 12:15 PM
Take a look at the blog entry Tony posted earlier in this thread. It'll save Deji some typing time. On 10/16/07, Carr, Brett (GTI EMEA) < Brett_Carr@ml.com> wrote:Out of interest can somebody point me to somewhere that shows the netbios dependencies for Exchange 2003 (and 2000) I'm sure I used towork somewhere that had no WINS but ran these products without anyproblems, yet somebody told me the other day that WINS servers areindeed needed for them. Brett>-----Original Message----->From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>[mailto: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of>Michael B. Smith>Sent: 16 October 2007 02:24>To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 >>If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or>earlier servers,>no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no>netbios requirements.>>-----Original Message----- >From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern >Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM>To: activedirectory>Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007>>anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 >still remain in exchange 2k7.>i can't seem to dig up any info.>>thanks and apologies for the OT...>List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx >List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx>List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx >List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx>List FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx >List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx>>--------------------------------------------------------This message w/attachments (message) may be privileged, confidential or proprietary, and if you are not an intended recipient, please notify the sender, do not use or share it and delete it. Unless specifically indicated, this message is not an offer to sell or a solicitation of any investment products or other financial product or service, an official confirmation of any transaction, or an official statement of Merrill Lynch. Subject to applicable law, Merrill Lynch may monitor, review and retain e-communications (EC) traveling through its networks/systems. The laws of the country of each sender/recipient may impact the handling of EC, and EC may be archived, supervised and produced in countries other than the country in which you are located. This message cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free. This message is subject to terms available at the following link: http://www.ml.com/e-communications_terms/. By messaging with Merrill Lynch you consent to the foregoing.-------------------------------------------------------- List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspxList FAQ: http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspxList archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

michael2

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10/16/2007 12:53 PM
By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD domain aware. Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not attributed, but he said it was public. :-) --- Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following domains on all Exchange servers: - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that Exchange will be talking to. - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it then that fits into this bucket) - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). --- -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of deji@readymaids.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? I'm very curious. Sincerely, _____ (, / \| /) /) /) /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ (_/ /) (/ Microsoft MVP - Directory Services www.akomolafe.com - we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________________ From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@briworks.com] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no netbios requirements. -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM To: activedirectory Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 still remain in exchange 2k7. i can't seem to dig up any info. thanks and apologies for the OT... List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

austin

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10/17/2007 7:19 AM
Hi Tom, I figure it's still a name resolution issue. If you manage your cluster names and they are unique in your environment, and you have the appropriate suffixes set, you can do without WINS. Regards, Austin -----Original Message----- From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern Sent: 17 October 2007 01:15 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 i understand its a name resolution issue and not netbios but what about clustering? is accessing the cluster name a netbios or name resoltuion issue? thanks On 10/16/07, Austin Osuide wrote: > LOL!!! > No Wonder I couldn't throw it in! > Nice!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of > deji@readymaids.com > Sent: 16 October 2007 19:30 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > I guess "Expantiate" will make it into the dictionary at some later date > :) It connotes an expanded expansion of the points one is trying to make > - gets the points across more forcefully - unlike simple "expatiate" :-p > > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.com - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Austin Osuide > [austin@osuide.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 11:21 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > Just to add to the debate as some form of confirmation that there is no > dependency on WINS for E2K or E2K3, been running clustered Exchange > servers for years in a 2 domain forest with no issues. > We were illuminated on the perceived dependency and worked around it :-) > Like that phrase! Couldn't throw in Expantiate tho.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of > deji@readymaids.com > Sent: 16 October 2007 18:38 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > Thanks, Michael. > > Going by the MS employee's statement, the word "eliminate" is misleading > because you can achieve the same result in E2K/E2K3 by doing the same > things prescribed in the statement. Rather than "eliminate", I think > what they did is "illuminate" the cause of the perceived "dependency" > and "expantiate" on how to work around it. > > People have been running E2K/E2K3 in single domain environments w/o WINS > for years now, so it ought to be clear that there is no "dependency" to > be eliminated. > > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.com - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith > [michael@briworks.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 9:53 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > By netbios requirement, I used it in the same sense that I believe OP > was - the WINS short-name resolution requirement specified by MSFT for > Exchange 2003 and before and Outlook 2007. > > (Granted, I'm well aware that a very properly constructed environment > [at least non-clustered] could exist in Exchange 2003 without WINS.) > > Exchange 2007 retains the requirement that all Exchange servers in an > organization be unique within the first 15 characters of the server > name, primarily for co-existence reasons, but outside of that - it's AD > domain aware. > > Below was the statement made by a MSFT employee on the topic, not > attributed, but he said it was public. :-) > > --- > > Exchange 2007 RTM has eliminated the need for WINS with the caveat that > you must configure the DNS suffix search order to include the following > domains on all Exchange servers: > > - Domains which contain Rights Management Services (RMS) servers that > Exchange will be talking to. > > - Domains which contain Domain Controllers that Exchange will be talking > to (i.e. keep in mind that if a domain has mailbox-enabled users in it > then that fits into this bucket) > > - Domains that contain Exchange servers (i.e. don't forget to add the > Exchange server's own domain to the DNS suffixes). > > --- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of > deji@readymaids.com > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2007 1:42 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > Your response reminds me of a commercial that says "we eliminate the > middle man", making me wonder, what does "NetBIOS requirement" mean, > and how does E2K7 eliminate it in a multi-domain environment? > > I'm very curious. > > Sincerely, > _____ > (, / \| /) /) /) > /---\| (/_ ______ ___// _ // _ > ) / \|_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_ > (_/ /) > (/ > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > www.akomolafe.com - we know IT > -5.75, -3.23 > Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about > Yesterday? -anon > ________________________________________ > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith > [michael@briworks.com] > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 6:23 PM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > If you are an all 2007 environment (no Exchange 2003 or earlier servers, > no versions of outlook older than outlook 2007) then there are no > netbios requirements. > > -----Original Message----- > From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org > [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Tom Kern > Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:08 PM > To: activedirectory > Subject: [ActiveDir] (OT) Netbios and exchage 2007 > > anyone have any idea if the same netbios dependenices for exchange 2k3 > still remain in exchange 2k7. > i can't seem to dig up any info. > > thanks and apologies for the OT... > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > > This message may contain confidential information and is intended only > for the individual named. > If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, > distribute or copy this e-mail. > Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this > e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. > E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as > information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive > late or incomplete, or contain viruses. > The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or > omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of > e-mail transmission. > If verification is required please request a digitally signed version. > > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx > List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx > List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx > List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx List info : http://www.activedir.org/List.aspx List FAQ : http://www.activedir.org/ListFAQ.aspx List archive: http://www.activedir.org/ma/default.aspx

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