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We call that a wizard in SBSland. ;-)
Okay but what if one wants to better understand that <font
color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">strComputer = "."</span></font>
means set to local computer. Which place/SDK/book/msdn site is the
best place to better understand what scriptomatic is doing? (besides
googling each term)?
joe wrote:
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="331351621-29042008"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I have found Scriptomatic to be
pretty helpful for finding stuff in the WMI arena. It also generates
perl script for you.  </font></span></div>
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<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">Created in seconds....</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">use strict;
use Win32: LE('in');</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">use constant wbemFlagReturnImmediately
=> 0x10;
use constant wbemFlagForwardOnly => 0x20;</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">my @computers = ("SFMXP32");
foreach my $computer (@computers) {
print "\n";
print "==========================================\n";
print "Computer: $computer\n";
print "==========================================\n";</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"> my $objWMIService =
Win32:LE->GetObject("winmgmts:\\\\$computer\\root\\CIMV2") or die
"WMI connection failed.\n";
my $colItems = $objWMIService->ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_Process", "WQL",
wbemFlagReturnImmediately | wbemFlagForwardOnly);</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"> foreach my $objItem (in $colItems) {
print "Caption: $objItem->{Caption}\n";
print "CommandLine: $objItem->{CommandLine}\n";
print "CreationClassName: $objItem->{CreationClassName}\n";
print "CreationDate: $objItem->{CreationDate}\n";
print "CSCreationClassName: $objItem->{CSCreationClassName}\n";
print "CSName: $objItem->{CSName}\n";
print "Description: $objItem->{Description}\n";
print "ExecutablePath: $objItem->{ExecutablePath}\n";
print "ExecutionState: $objItem->{ExecutionState}\n";
print "Handle: $objItem->{Handle}\n";
print "HandleCount: $objItem->{HandleCount}\n";
print "InstallDate: $objItem->{InstallDate}\n";
print "KernelModeTime: $objItem->{KernelModeTime}\n";
print "MaximumWorkingSetSize:
$objItem->{MaximumWorkingSetSize}\n";
print "MinimumWorkingSetSize:
$objItem->{MinimumWorkingSetSize}\n";
print "Name: $objItem->{Name}\n";
print "OSCreationClassName: $objItem->{OSCreationClassName}\n";
print "OSName: $objItem->{OSName}\n";
print "OtherOperationCount: $objItem->{OtherOperationCount}\n";
print "OtherTransferCount: $objItem->{OtherTransferCount}\n";
print "PageFaults: $objItem->{PageFaults}\n";
print "PageFileUsage: $objItem->{PageFileUsage}\n";
print "ParentProcessId: $objItem->{ParentProcessId}\n";
print "PeakPageFileUsage: $objItem->{PeakPageFileUsage}\n";
print "PeakVirtualSize: $objItem->{PeakVirtualSize}\n";
print "PeakWorkingSetSize: $objItem->{PeakWorkingSetSize}\n";
print "Priority: $objItem->{Priority}\n";
print "PrivatePageCount: $objItem->{PrivatePageCount}\n";
print "ProcessId: $objItem->{ProcessId}\n";
print "QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage:
$objItem->{QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage}\n";
print "QuotaPagedPoolUsage: $objItem->{QuotaPagedPoolUsage}\n";
print "QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage:
$objItem->{QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage}\n";
print "QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage:
$objItem->{QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage}\n";
print "ReadOperationCount: $objItem->{ReadOperationCount}\n";
print "ReadTransferCount: $objItem->{ReadTransferCount}\n";
print "SessionId: $objItem->{SessionId}\n";
print "Status: $objItem->{Status}\n";
print "TerminationDate: $objItem->{TerminationDate}\n";
print "ThreadCount: $objItem->{ThreadCount}\n";
print "UserModeTime: $objItem->{UserModeTime}\n";
print "VirtualSize: $objItem->{VirtualSize}\n";
print "WindowsVersion: $objItem->{WindowsVersion}\n";
print "WorkingSetSize: $objItem->{WorkingSetSize}\n";
print "WriteOperationCount: $objItem->{WriteOperationCount}\n";
print "WriteTransferCount: $objItem->{WriteTransferCount}\n";
print "\n";
}
}sub WMIDateStringToDate(strDate)
{
return "blah";
}
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">Oh you want Python instead???</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">import win32com.client
def WMIDateStringToDate(dtmDate):
strDateTime = ""
if (dtmDateΒ] == 0):
strDateTime = dtmDateΓ] + '/'
else:
strDateTime = dtmDateΒ] + dtmDateΓ] + '/'
if (dtmDateΔ] == 0):
strDateTime = strDateTime + dtmDateΕ] + '/'
else:
strDateTime = strDateTime + dtmDateΔ] + dtmDateΕ] + '/'
strDateTime = strDateTime + dtmDateΎ] + dtmDateΏ] +
dtmDateΐ] + dtmDateΑ] + " " + dtmDateΖ] + dtmDateΗ] + ":" +
dtmDate⎖] + dtmDate⎗] +':' + dtmDate⎘] + dtmDate⎙]
return strDateTime</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">strComputer = "."
objWMIService = win32com.client.Dispatch("WbemScripting.SWbemLocator")
objSWbemServices = objWMIService.ConnectServer(strComputer,"root\cimv2")
colItems = objSWbemServices.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM Win32_Process")
for objItem in colItems:
if objItem.Caption != None:
print "Caption:" + ` objItem.Caption`
if objItem.CommandLine != None:
print "CommandLine:" + ` objItem.CommandLine`
if objItem.CreationClassName != None:
print "CreationClassName:" + ` objItem.CreationClassName`
if objItem.CreationDate != None:
print "CreationDate:" +
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.CreationDate)
if objItem.CSCreationClassName != None:
print "CSCreationClassName:" + ` objItem.CSCreationClassName`
if objItem.CSName != None:
print "CSName:" + ` objItem.CSName`
if objItem.Description != None:
print "Description:" + ` objItem.Description`
if objItem.ExecutablePath != None:
print "ExecutablePath:" + ` objItem.ExecutablePath`
if objItem.ExecutionState != None:
print "ExecutionState:" + ` objItem.ExecutionState`
if objItem.Handle != None:
print "Handle:" + ` objItem.Handle`
if objItem.HandleCount != None:
print "HandleCount:" + ` objItem.HandleCount`
if objItem.InstallDate != None:
print "InstallDate:" + WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.InstallDate)
if objItem.KernelModeTime != None:
print "KernelModeTime:" + ` objItem.KernelModeTime`
if objItem.MaximumWorkingSetSize != None:
print "MaximumWorkingSetSize:" + `
objItem.MaximumWorkingSetSize`
if objItem.MinimumWorkingSetSize != None:
print "MinimumWorkingSetSize:" + `
objItem.MinimumWorkingSetSize`
if objItem.Name != None:
print "Name:" + ` objItem.Name`
if objItem.OSCreationClassName != None:
print "OSCreationClassName:" + ` objItem.OSCreationClassName`
if objItem.OSName != None:
print "OSName:" + ` objItem.OSName`
if objItem.OtherOperationCount != None:
print "OtherOperationCount:" + ` objItem.OtherOperationCount`
if objItem.OtherTransferCount != None:
print "OtherTransferCount:" + ` objItem.OtherTransferCount`
if objItem.PageFaults != None:
print "PageFaults:" + ` objItem.PageFaults`
if objItem.PageFileUsage != None:
print "PageFileUsage:" + ` objItem.PageFileUsage`
if objItem.ParentProcessId != None:
print "ParentProcessId:" + ` objItem.ParentProcessId`
if objItem.PeakPageFileUsage != None:
print "PeakPageFileUsage:" + ` objItem.PeakPageFileUsage`
if objItem.PeakVirtualSize != None:
print "PeakVirtualSize:" + ` objItem.PeakVirtualSize`
if objItem.PeakWorkingSetSize != None:
print "PeakWorkingSetSize:" + ` objItem.PeakWorkingSetSize`
if objItem.Priority != None:
print "Priority:" + ` objItem.Priority`
if objItem.PrivatePageCount != None:
print "PrivatePageCount:" + ` objItem.PrivatePageCount`
if objItem.ProcessId != None:
print "ProcessId:" + ` objItem.ProcessId`
if objItem.QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage != None:
print "QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage:" + `
objItem.QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage`
if objItem.QuotaPagedPoolUsage != None:
print "QuotaPagedPoolUsage:" + ` objItem.QuotaPagedPoolUsage`
if objItem.QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage != None:
print "QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage:" + `
objItem.QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage`
if objItem.QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage != None:
print "QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage:" + `
objItem.QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage`
if objItem.ReadOperationCount != None:
print "ReadOperationCount:" + ` objItem.ReadOperationCount`
if objItem.ReadTransferCount != None:
print "ReadTransferCount:" + ` objItem.ReadTransferCount`
if objItem.SessionId != None:
print "SessionId:" + ` objItem.SessionId`
if objItem.Status != None:
print "Status:" + ` objItem.Status`
if objItem.TerminationDate != None:
print "TerminationDate:" +
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TerminationDate)
if objItem.ThreadCount != None:
print "ThreadCount:" + ` objItem.ThreadCount`
if objItem.UserModeTime != None:
print "UserModeTime:" + ` objItem.UserModeTime`
if objItem.VirtualSize != None:
print "VirtualSize:" + ` objItem.VirtualSize`
if objItem.WindowsVersion != None:
print "WindowsVersion:" + ` objItem.WindowsVersion`
if objItem.WorkingSetSize != None:
print "WorkingSetSize:" + ` objItem.WorkingSetSize`
if objItem.WriteOperationCount != None:
print "WriteOperationCount:" + ` objItem.WriteOperationCount`
if objItem.WriteTransferCount != None:
print "WriteTransferCount:" + ` objItem.WriteTransferCount`
</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">Oh... vbscript, I see</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"></span></font> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">On Error Resume Next</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">Const wbemFlagReturnImmediately = &h10
Const wbemFlagForwardOnly = &h20</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008">arrComputers = Array("SFMXP32")
For Each strComputer In arrComputers
WScript.Echo
WScript.Echo "=========================================="
WScript.Echo "Computer: " & strComputer
WScript.Echo "=========================================="</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"> Set objWMIService =
GetObject("winmgmts:\\" & strComputer & "\root\CIMV2")
Set colItems = objWMIService.ExecQuery("SELECT * FROM
Win32_Process", "WQL", _
wbemFlagReturnImmediately +
wbemFlagForwardOnly)</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font color="#800000" face="Courier New" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"> For Each objItem In colItems
WScript.Echo "Caption: " & objItem.Caption
WScript.Echo "CommandLine: " & objItem.CommandLine
WScript.Echo "CreationClassName: " & objItem.CreationClassName
WScript.Echo "CreationDate: " &
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.CreationDate)
WScript.Echo "CSCreationClassName: " &
objItem.CSCreationClassName
WScript.Echo "CSName: " & objItem.CSName
WScript.Echo "Description: " & objItem.Description
WScript.Echo "ExecutablePath: " & objItem.ExecutablePath
WScript.Echo "ExecutionState: " & objItem.ExecutionState
WScript.Echo "Handle: " & objItem.Handle
WScript.Echo "HandleCount: " & objItem.HandleCount
WScript.Echo "InstallDate: " &
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.InstallDate)
WScript.Echo "KernelModeTime: " & objItem.KernelModeTime
WScript.Echo "MaximumWorkingSetSize: " &
objItem.MaximumWorkingSetSize
WScript.Echo "MinimumWorkingSetSize: " &
objItem.MinimumWorkingSetSize
WScript.Echo "Name: " & objItem.Name
WScript.Echo "OSCreationClassName: " &
objItem.OSCreationClassName
WScript.Echo "OSName: " & objItem.OSName
WScript.Echo "OtherOperationCount: " &
objItem.OtherOperationCount
WScript.Echo "OtherTransferCount: " &
objItem.OtherTransferCount
WScript.Echo "PageFaults: " & objItem.PageFaults
WScript.Echo "PageFileUsage: " & objItem.PageFileUsage
WScript.Echo "ParentProcessId: " & objItem.ParentProcessId
WScript.Echo "PeakPageFileUsage: " & objItem.PeakPageFileUsage
WScript.Echo "PeakVirtualSize: " & objItem.PeakVirtualSize
WScript.Echo "PeakWorkingSetSize: " &
objItem.PeakWorkingSetSize
WScript.Echo "Priority: " & objItem.Priority
WScript.Echo "PrivatePageCount: " & objItem.PrivatePageCount
WScript.Echo "ProcessId: " & objItem.ProcessId
WScript.Echo "QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage: " &
objItem.QuotaNonPagedPoolUsage
WScript.Echo "QuotaPagedPoolUsage: " &
objItem.QuotaPagedPoolUsage
WScript.Echo "QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage: " &
objItem.QuotaPeakNonPagedPoolUsage
WScript.Echo "QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage: " &
objItem.QuotaPeakPagedPoolUsage
WScript.Echo "ReadOperationCount: " &
objItem.ReadOperationCount
WScript.Echo "ReadTransferCount: " & objItem.ReadTransferCount
WScript.Echo "SessionId: " & objItem.SessionId
WScript.Echo "Status: " & objItem.Status
WScript.Echo "TerminationDate: " &
WMIDateStringToDate(objItem.TerminationDate)
WScript.Echo "ThreadCount: " & objItem.ThreadCount
WScript.Echo "UserModeTime: " & objItem.UserModeTime
WScript.Echo "VirtualSize: " & objItem.VirtualSize
WScript.Echo "WindowsVersion: " & objItem.WindowsVersion
WScript.Echo "WorkingSetSize: " & objItem.WorkingSetSize
WScript.Echo "WriteOperationCount: " &
objItem.WriteOperationCount
WScript.Echo "WriteTransferCount: " &
objItem.WriteTransferCount
WScript.Echo
Next
Next</span></font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font size="2"><span class="331351621-29042008">
<font color="#800000" face="Courier New">Function
WMIDateStringToDate(dtmDate)
WScript.Echo dtm:
WMIDateStringToDate = CDate(Mid(dtmDate, 5, 2) & "/" & _
Mid(dtmDate, 7, 2) & "/" & Left(dtmDate, 4) _
& " " & Mid (dtmDate, 9, 2) & ":" & Mid(dtmDate, 11,
2) & ":" & Mid(dtmDate,13, 2))
End Function</font></span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"> </span></font></div>
<div><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"><span
class="331351621-29042008"></span></font> </div>
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<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="625444604-27012006"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">--</font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="625444604-27012006"><font
color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">O'Reilly Active Directory Third
Edition - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="blocked::http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm"
href="http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm">http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm</a> </font></span></div>
<div dir="ltr" align="left"><span class="625444604-27012006"></span> </div>
</div>
</div>
<div> </div>
<div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left" lang="en-us">
<hr tabindex="-1"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b>
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael
B. Smith
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:18 PM
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
</font>
</div>
<div class="Section1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">From
one of my upcoming books:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="Para">WMI stands for Windows Management Instrumentation.
WMI is the Microsoft implementation of something known as CIM, which
stands for Common Information Model. CIM (and therefore WMI) is an
industry-standard way of representing information about computing
objects. These objects include processors, processes, tasks, networks,
IP addresses, routers, switches, etc. etc. There are literally hundreds
of WMI objects implemented within modern versions of Windows (WMI was
first available in Windows 2000 Server).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="Para">WMI provides a schema (that is, a description of the
information that is available) and a specification of the format of the
data contained within the schema. Within WMI, Microsoft has also
defined a simple and standard mechanism for accessing the information
contained therein.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">In
my opinion, you get a great deal of value from spending time reading
the MSDN documents on (for example) Win32_Process. And if you get
there, you can see all the other Win32_* items. Drill down, and lo and
behold, there is a wealth of data.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Within
PowerShell, start with “gwmi win32_process | fl” and go from there…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394372%28VS.85%29.aspx">http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394372(VS.85).aspx</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">Michael
B. Smith<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';">MCSE/Exchange
MVP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: 'Calibri','sans-serif';"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://TheEssentialExchange.com">http://TheEssentialExchange.com</a></span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: windowtext; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: windowtext; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan
Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:01 PM
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think it's what you are used to and what makes
sense to your platform.
Up here in the GUI world PowerShell is being used all around me. SBS
is exposing it in the 2k8 era and using it for antispam cmdlets in
Exchange 2k7, move data scripting and it's being used in the backup
tasks. IIS 7 just came out with a PowerShell platform as well.
You and your blinking c prompt server core world it's understandable :-)
Forgive the very newb question... in my platform I am looking at
PowerShell but find that the PowerShell scripting tutorials assume a
foundational knowledge of WMI, Common Information Model Standards and
what not. What resource would you gurus say is the best one for better
understanding these foundations?
joe wrote: <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Note
that I am not saying no one else should be using PoS or .NET... I am
saying for me, it hasn't made any sense to do so IMO. I actually
recommend some others to use it because it would be the quickest
easiest way for them to spin up. But when people ask me to get involved
with it, I don't see the benefit *to me* to do so and say so. This
includes writing wrappers, etc for it because people seem to think I do
certain things better than others. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">O'Reilly
Active Directory Third Edition - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="blocked::http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm"
href="http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm">http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>joe
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:42 PM
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Binary,
Unicode, and large int can't be marshalled into text? How do you know
that isn't happening in the backend somewhere currently? Say some XML
stream of some sort? There is and has been a whole object passing model
that has existed for years and years and years called CORBA but the
actual implementation of that is a bit FAT for what we are talking
about because it needed to account for many things we don't care about
in the command line management world. But a similar idea slimmed down
to the specific case of passing data between two command line processes
would be nice and it could be published as a protocol instead of
locking into a specific app model. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">I
think you are happy that the data marshalling is done and you don't
have to deal with it, the fact that it is powershell or .net or
anything else doesn't really play into it. Anything given to you with
the same functionality would have been fine. It is like when people
rave about PowerShell because it lets them manage Exchange at the
command line, that isn't an argument for PowerShell, it is an argument
for having anything that can actually do what you need that didn't
exist or possibly didn't know how to do before. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">I
like the idea of PowerShell, I think the .NET requirement was extremely
shortsighted considering it isn't what I would consider a first class
citizen of the OS. But I still don't see anything that PoS does for me
that makes me go, my god, I could never accomplish that any other way.
Once we start seeing kernel components written in and being run by .NET
pieces meaning perf has actually been looked at in some serious way,
.NET will start looking more attractive to me. Write now the arguments
are mostly of the variety that people gave for VB years ago and that
wasn't enough to get me to use VB either. Ditto Java. Now when Borland
came out with Borland Builder which gave me VB capability with native
good c++ code, I was all over that. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">O'Reilly
Active Directory Third Edition - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="blocked::http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm"
href="http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm">http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brandon Shell
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:05 AM
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What about Binary Data? Unicode? or
iADSLargeInteger. The biggest thing you lose is ability to maintain the
integrity of the object/text throughout the pipe. Using .NET you know
if you have FileInfo object it will stay a FileInfo object until you
decide to change it. The problem isn't passing the text, it is knowing
what to do with it on the flip side. The benefit you have with the
object model is Typing. I can TYPE the data so that there is no
ambiguity in the interpretation of the "text."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I don't feel the need to debate the design of
Powershell (that is water under the bridge,) but the validity of the
usefulness of dealing with Objects. Ironically we both agree with the
crapiness of the s.ds.d namespace and ADSI in general, but that is a
VERY small scope for Powershell. When it comes to Dealing with
Processes, Files, WMI, and the slew of other things that Powershell
Addresses from an Admin point of view using the .NET namespace was a
good idea.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What Dushyant was talking about was, in
Powershell you can have Parameters that can be passed via the Pipe.
These Parameters are determined by Type or by Name. If it is a STRING
it goes here, if it is a DATETIME it goes there, if it is ... You get
the idea. You can NOT achieve that passing just text. It is just not
feasible. Basically, I get your point, The serialization is still done
I just don't have to deal with it. This is the draw. I don't have to
worry about it. Not to mention it is SUPER powerful. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In regards to "<span style="color: blue;">defined
this standard passing mechanism" </span>They did... its called .NET
Almost all the stuff they needed already had pre-defined .NET classes
that could be used.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I really respect your opinion. You have a lot of
experience, but I think in this case you have been blinded by your
hatred for .NET (albeit understandable hatred.) Could Powershell have
been done different... absolutely. Could it have been done better...
absolutely. Should they have used .NET or just a standard parsing
methods... that is converstation for you and Jeffrey Snover.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">btw... Powershell is not a shell. It is an
Engine similar to vbscript parsing engine. They just have a shell that
loads Powershell.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:48 AM, joe <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'listmail'+'@'+'joeware'+'.net')">listmail@joeware.net</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Give
me an example or three of things you can do that you don't think could
be done otherwise that you believe to be a function of passing info
between programs (or if you prefer, call them cmdlets) that you can't
do with passing text. And as we were discussing at the summit, these
should not be things based on two apps not speaking the same language
because no one defined a protocol for the text streaming interchang,
but things that couldn't be done period even if that was defined. As
you know and despite the incorrect assumption/comment made by Dushyant
in the PoS session, Adfind/Mod and ds* can actually communicate with
each other in great part because I allowed it and that isn't all that
hard as long as people agree on a format. But give me an example of
something that can't be done with that object passing that you feel
can't be accomplished if the agreements/protocols aren't established.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">I
think we would have been better served if MSFT had defined this
standard passing mechanism versus doing what was done. Something that
wasn't solely reliant on .NET. The .NET requirement is a silly
requirement IMO. Anyway, this wouldn't even need a whole new shell to
pull off and the foundation would have built up a lot faster and be far
wider and accepted now than it is. Again, IMO.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">
joe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">O'Reilly
Active Directory Third Edition - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="blocked::http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm"
href="http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm" target="_blank">http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org"
target="_blank">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org"
target="_blank">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Brandon Shell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Sent:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Tuesday,
April 29, 2008 9:34 AM <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org" target="_blank">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I still think it would be cool for you to
write them... I have S.DS.P now... That solves my immediate need so I
can do the rest <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It may not be as fast as ADFind, but the
flexibility of objects will more than make up for that time lost with
my ability to process the output.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To be clear... I think ADFind and ADMod
awesome tools and I am very grateful for them.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM, joe <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'listmail'+'@'+'joeware'+'.net')"
target="_blank">listmail@joeware.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Absolutely,
I just don't consider that exploring... If I did explore that area, it
would be to work out how to write native code to interface with it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">If
ya want it to so bad... you write it. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">
joe</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">O'Reilly
Active Directory Third Edition - <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="blocked::http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm"
href="http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm" target="_blank">http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Those
who can.... do. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; color: blue; font-family: 'Arial','sans-serif';">Those
who can't... beg.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org"
target="_blank">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a> [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org"
target="_blank">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>] <b>On Behalf
Of </b>Brandon Shell
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:02 AM <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org" target="_blank">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Tahoma','sans-serif';"> Re:
[ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><u><span
style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204);">never stop exploring...</span></u>  <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, joe <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'listmail'+'@'+'joeware'+'.net')"
target="_blank">listmail@joeware.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Very funnyΏ]....
joe
Ώ] But accurate<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm"
target="_blank">http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm</a>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-----Original Message-----
From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org" target="_blank">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org" target="_blank">ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Dean Wells
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:17 AM
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'ActiveDir'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org" target="_blank">ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org</a>
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
Hehe ... and not entirely dissimilar to what happens when people ask joe
.NET/Powershell questions in-person; joe: can you write a wrapper ...
joe?
joe? ... where'd he go?
--
Dean Wells
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
First Nomination for Understatement of the Year award:
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Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
...
A DNS server that is dynamically handed its address is NOT the most
useful
device you could have on a network...
joe
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