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bdesmond
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| The WMI version is called CIMStudio or something like that
--brian
On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 5:38 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net> wrote:
> Yeah definitely not for browsing. Look around the perl community though,
> you
> may find an IE based browser for this. There is one for COM objects
> registered on the machine that comes right with ActivePerl (or at least
> did,
> been a bit since I looked).
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:14 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: PowerShell was Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> Scriptomatic is ok if you are looking to write WMI scripts. But I like the
> more intuitive browsing available in WMIX. Scriptomatic is still a little
> rough around the edges for just exploring WMI.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Akomolafe, Deji
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:52 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: PowerShell was Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> >>> very nice GUI-based WMI explorer called WMIX (PJ Technologies)
>
> otherwise known as Scriptomatic
> (
> http://www.microsoft.com/DOWNLOADS/details.aspx?familyid=09DFC342-648B-4119
> -B7EB-783B0F7D1178&displaylang=en) ?
>
> Sincerely,
> _____
> (, / | /) /) /)
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> ) / |_/(__(_) // (_(_)(/_(_(_/(__(/_
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> (/
> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services
> www.akomolafe.name<http://www.akomolafe.name/> - we know IT -5.75, -3.23
> Do
> you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you were worried about
> Yesterday?
> -anon ________________________________
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Darren Mar-Elia
> [darren@sdmsoftware.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:42 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: PowerShell was Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> To add to this, my experience with using WMI (never mind PowerShell) is
> that
> it really takes exploration, which takes time. Because it's a model,
> rather
> than a fixed thing, it has nearly limitless capability and is forever
> being
> extended with new providers. Once you understand however, that WMI has
> classes (e.g. Win32_OperatingSystem) and that those classes have instances
> (i.e. a Windows install on a real system) and that those instances have
> methods (i.e. things you can do, like Shutdown the operating system) and
> properties (i.e. the build number of that Windows OS) then it gets much
> easier to exploit it, regardless of your toolset. The guys at
> DesktopStandard turned me on to a very nice GUI-based WMI explorer called
> WMIX (PJ Technologies) that you might find a great aid in learning more
> about WMI. MoW's WMI Explorer is also very cool but probably not as basic
> as
> WMIX. WMIX is not free, however.
>
> Darren
>
>
> ****
> Darren Mar-Elia
> CTO & Founder
> SDM Software, Inc.
> www.sdmsoftware.com<http://www.sdmsoftware.com/>
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>
>
>
> From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:33 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: PowerShell was Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> Susan, I think the key is Learning the WMI basics, .NET Basics, and
> learning
> how to use the discovery tools built into Powershell like Get-Member and
> Get-Help.
>
> Dean and I have had this conversation a 1000s times. What Powershell
> really
> needs is a built in MSDN offline.
> btw... you may find these series by MoW helpful for your WMI exploits
>
> http://thepowershellguy.com/blogs/posh/archive/tags/WMI+Explorer/default.asp
> x
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Susan Bradley, CPA
> <sbradcpa@pacbell.net<mailto:sbradcpa@pacbell.net>> wrote:
> Not to mention not exactly "green" and energy compliant.
>
> I'm actually willing to (gasp) read something. I do have the PowerShell
> step by step and Scripting guides but am looking for a guide as well that
> covers WMI foundations. Yeah MSDN wallowing is fine but offline versions
> ...you know like a book... would be nice as well. :-)
>
> I'm asking for the IT consultant that has several SBS and ultimately EBS
> deployments as well.
>
>
> Akomolafe, Deji wrote:
> I don't think typical SBS admins wade in the MSDN (cess)pool much,
> Michael.
> Not enough of us "real" admins do so either, but it is too much to expect
> from a "normal" SBS admin, IMO 
>
>
> Sincerely,
> _____
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> (_/ /)
> (/
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> -
> we know IT -5.75, -3.23 Do you now realize that Today is the Tomorrow you
> were worried about Yesterday? -anon ________________________________
> From:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> >
> [ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.or
> g>] On Behalf Of Michael B. Smith [michael@TheEssentialExchange.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 10:17 AM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> >From one of my upcoming books:
>
>
> WMI stands for Windows Management Instrumentation. WMI is the Microsoft
> implementation of something known as CIM, which stands for Common
> Information Model. CIM (and therefore WMI) is an industry-standard way of
> representing information about computing objects. These objects include
> processors, processes, tasks, networks, IP addresses, routers, switches,
> etc. etc. There are literally hundreds of WMI objects implemented within
> modern versions of Windows (WMI was first available in Windows 2000
> Server).
>
> WMI provides a schema (that is, a description of the information that is
> available) and a specification of the format of the data contained within
> the schema. Within WMI, Microsoft has also defined a simple and standard
> mechanism for accessing the information contained therein.
> In my opinion, you get a great deal of value from spending time reading
> the
> MSDN documents on (for example) Win32_Process. And if you get there, you
> can
> see all the other Win32_* items. Drill down, and lo and behold, there is a
> wealth of data.
>
> Within PowerShell, start with "gwmi win32_process | fl" and go from there.
>
> http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa394372(VS.85).aspx
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> MCSE/Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/><
> http://theessentialexchange.com/>
>
> From:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> >
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activ
> edir.org>] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 1:01 PM
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> I think it's what you are used to and what makes sense to your platform.
>
> Up here in the GUI world PowerShell is being used all around me. SBS is
> exposing it in the 2k8 era and using it for antispam cmdlets in Exchange
> 2k7, move data scripting and it's being used in the backup tasks. IIS 7
> just came out with a PowerShell platform as well.
>
> You and your blinking c prompt server core world it's understandable :-)
>
> Forgive the very newb question... in my platform I am looking at
> PowerShell
> but find that the PowerShell scripting tutorials assume a foundational
> knowledge of WMI, Common Information Model Standards and what not. What
> resource would you gurus say is the best one for better understanding
> these
> foundations?
>
>
>
> joe wrote:
> Note that I am not saying no one else should be using PoS or .NET... I am
> saying for me, it hasn't made any sense to do so IMO. I actually recommend
> some others to use it because it would be the quickest easiest way for
> them
> to spin up. But when people ask me to get involved with it, I don't see
> the
> benefit *to me* to do so and say so. This includes writing wrappers, etc
> for
> it because people seem to think I do certain things better than others.
>
>
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> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
> >acti
> vedir.org>>
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activ
> edir.org>] On Behalf Of joe
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:42 PM
> To:
> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:
> Act
> iveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> Binary, Unicode, and large int can't be marshalled into text? How do you
> know that isn't happening in the backend somewhere currently? Say some XML
> stream of some sort? There is and has been a whole object passing model
> that
> has existed for years and years and years called CORBA but the actual
> implementation of that is a bit FAT for what we are talking about because
> it
> needed to account for many things we don't care about in the command line
> management world. But a similar idea slimmed down to the specific case of
> passing data between two command line processes would be nice and it could
> be published as a protocol instead of locking into a specific app model.
>
> I think you are happy that the data marshalling is done and you don't have
> to deal with it, the fact that it is powershell or .net or anything else
> doesn't really play into it. Anything given to you with the same
> functionality would have been fine. It is like when people rave about
> PowerShell because it lets them manage Exchange at the command line, that
> isn't an argument for PowerShell, it is an argument for having anything
> that
> can actually do what you need that didn't exist or possibly didn't know
> how
> to do before.
>
> I like the idea of PowerShell, I think the .NET requirement was extremely
> shortsighted considering it isn't what I would consider a first class
> citizen of the OS. But I still don't see anything that PoS does for me
> that
> makes me go, my god, I could never accomplish that any other way. Once we
> start seeing kernel components written in and being run by .NET pieces
> meaning perf has actually been looked at in some serious way, .NET will
> start looking more attractive to me. Write now the arguments are mostly of
> the variety that people gave for VB years ago and that wasn't enough to
> get
> me to use VB either. Ditto Java. Now when Borland came out with Borland
> Builder which gave me VB capability with native good c++ code, I was all
> over that.
>
>
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> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
> >acti
> vedir.org>>
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activ
> edir.org>] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 11:05 AM
> To:
> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:
> Act
> iveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> What about Binary Data? Unicode? or iADSLargeInteger. The biggest thing
> you
> lose is ability to maintain the integrity of the object/text throughout
> the
> pipe. Using .NET you know if you have FileInfo object it will stay a
> FileInfo object until you decide to change it. The problem isn't passing
> the
> text, it is knowing what to do with it on the flip side. The benefit you
> have with the object model is Typing. I can TYPE the data so that there is
> no ambiguity in the interpretation of the "text."
>
> I don't feel the need to debate the design of Powershell (that is water
> under the bridge,) but the validity of the usefulness of dealing with
> Objects. Ironically we both agree with the crapiness of the s.ds.d
> namespace
> and ADSI in general, but that is a VERY small scope for Powershell. When
> it
> comes to Dealing with Processes, Files, WMI, and the slew of other things
> that Powershell Addresses from an Admin point of view using the .NET
> namespace was a good idea.
>
> What Dushyant was talking about was, in Powershell you can have Parameters
> that can be passed via the Pipe. These Parameters are determined by Type
> or
> by Name. If it is a STRING it goes here, if it is a DATETIME it goes
> there,
> if it is ... You get the idea. You can NOT achieve that passing just text.
> It is just not feasible. Basically, I get your point, The serialization is
> still done I just don't have to deal with it. This is the draw. I don't
> have
> to worry about it. Not to mention it is SUPER powerful.
>
> In regards to "defined this standard passing mechanism" They did... its
> called .NET Almost all the stuff they needed already had pre-defined .NET
> classes that could be used.
>
> I really respect your opinion. You have a lot of experience, but I think
> in
> this case you have been blinded by your hatred for .NET (albeit
> understandable hatred.) Could Powershell have been done different...
> absolutely. Could it have been done better... absolutely. Should they have
> used .NET or just a standard parsing methods... that is converstation for
> you and Jeffrey Snover.
>
> btw... Powershell is not a shell. It is an Engine similar to vbscript
> parsing engine. They just have a shell that loads Powershell.
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:48 AM, joe
> <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net><mailto:
> listmail@joeware.n
> et<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote:
> Give me an example or three of things you can do that you don't think
> could
> be done otherwise that you believe to be a function of passing info
> between
> programs (or if you prefer, call them cmdlets) that you can't do with
> passing text. And as we were discussing at the summit, these should not be
> things based on two apps not speaking the same language because no one
> defined a protocol for the text streaming interchang, but things that
> couldn't be done period even if that was defined. As you know and despite
> the incorrect assumption/comment made by Dushyant in the PoS session,
> Adfind/Mod and ds* can actually communicate with each other in great part
> because I allowed it and that isn't all that hard as long as people agree
> on
> a format. But give me an example of something that can't be done with that
> object passing that you feel can't be accomplished if the
> agreements/protocols aren't established.
>
> I think we would have been better served if MSFT had defined this standard
> passing mechanism versus doing what was done. Something that wasn't solely
> reliant on .NET. The .NET requirement is a silly requirement IMO. Anyway,
> this wouldn't even need a whole new shell to pull off and the foundation
> would have built up a lot faster and be far wider and accepted now than it
> is. Again, IMO.
>
> joe
>
>
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> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
> >acti
> vedir.org>>
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activ
> edir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@m
> ail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:34 AM
>
> To:
> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:
> Act
> iveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> While I still think it would be cool for you to write them... I have
> S.DS.P
> now... That solves my immediate need so I can do the rest
>
> It may not be as fast as ADFind, but the flexibility of objects will more
> than make up for that time lost with my ability to process the output.
>
> To be clear... I think ADFind and ADMod awesome tools and I am very
> grateful
> for them.
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 9:08 AM, joe
> <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net><mailto:
> listmail@joeware.n
> et<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote:
> Absolutely, I just don't consider that exploring... If I did explore that
> area, it would be to work out how to write native code to interface with
> it.
>
> If ya want it to so bad... you write it.
>
> joe
>
>
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> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
>
> Those who can.... do.
> Those who can't... beg.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
> >acti
> vedir.org>>
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activ
> edir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@m
> ail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:02 AM
>
> To:
> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:
> Act
> iveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
> never stop exploring... 
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:50 AM, joe
> <listmail@joeware.net<mailto:listmail@joeware.net><mailto:
> listmail@joeware.n
> et<mailto:listmail@joeware.net>>> wrote:
> Very funnyΏ]....
>
> 
>
> joe
>
>
> Ώ] But accurate
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
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> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
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> ActiveDir-owner@mail.activ
> edir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@m
> ail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Dean Wells
> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:17 AM
> To:
> ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org><mailto:
> Act
> iveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> Hehe ... and not entirely dissimilar to what happens when people ask joe
> .NET/Powershell questions in-person; joe: can you write a wrapper ... joe?
> joe? ... where'd he go?
>
> --
> Dean Wells
> MSEtechnology
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> -----Original Message-----
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> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
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> edir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@m
> ail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of Richard Kline
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 10:20 AM
> To:
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> iveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>>
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> First Nomination for Understatement of the Year award:
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> ><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.
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> edir.org><mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> ActiveDir-owner@m
> ail.activedir.org>>] On Behalf Of joe
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 4:28 PM
> To:
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> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] [OT] BIND as Secondary DNS?
>
> ...
>
> A DNS server that is dynamically handed its address is NOT the most useful
> device you could have on a network...
>
>
> joe
>
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