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robertsingers
Posts:143
 | | 07/28/2008 7:32 PM |
| Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows 2008
environment
http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-
across-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx .
Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to replace
browstat.exe. :-)
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| bsonposh
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| | 07/28/2008 7:36 PM |
| Yeeeeeessssss.
Perhaps this oneliner
If(get-browstat){Invoke-ReplaceAdmin -force}
On 7/28/08, Robert Singers <robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz> wrote:
> Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows 2008
> environment
> http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-
> across-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx .
>
> Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to replace
> browstat.exe. :-)
>
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| amulnick
Posts:127
| | 07/28/2008 8:08 PM |
| Did I read that differently than you? I don't see a recommendation for WINS
per se.
Interesting though that's for sure.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Robert Singers
<robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz>wrote:
> Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows 2008
> environment
> http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-across-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx
> .
>
> Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to replace
> browstat.exe. :-)
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| robertsingers
Posts:143
| | 07/28/2008 9:05 PM |
| " In a multiple subnet environment, make sure WINS is configured
properly so that you have the proper NetBIOS name resolution. After
making the corrections, the computers holding the master browser roles
will begin to populate the browse list for the entire network."
I read that as a recommendation to have WINS running.
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 12:07 p.m.
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Did I read that differently than you? I don't see a recommendation for
WINS per se.
Interesting though that's for sure.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Robert Singers
<robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz> wrote:
Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows
2008 environment
http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-
across-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx .
Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to
replace browstat.exe. :-)
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| oscarsotocl
Posts:4
| | 07/28/2008 9:15 PM |
| Hi:
I think the blog should say: "If you are using Netbios". Because you don't need netbios in an active directory domain. But, if you are using the Old Style network browsing (using Explorer), rather tan searching for file shares using Active Directory search, then you need to use WINS in a subnet environment, because Netbios Name works via Broadcast if you don't use a Netbios Name Server, and the Netbios Broadcast doesn´t cross subnet's.
Oscar Soto Casali | MVP Directory Services | MCSE Messaging + Security
Consultor Comunicaciones Unificadas | OCS 2007 | Exchange Server 2007
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De: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] En nombre de Robert Singers
Enviado el: Lunes, 28 de Julio de 2008 21:00
Para: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Asunto: RE: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
" In a multiple subnet environment, make sure WINS is configured properly so that you have the proper NetBIOS name resolution. After making the corrections, the computers holding the master browser roles will begin to populate the browse list for the entire network."
I read that as a recommendation to have WINS running.
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 12:07 p.m.
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Did I read that differently than you? I don't see a recommendation for WINS per se.
Interesting though that's for sure.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Robert Singers <robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz<mailto:robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz>> wrote:
Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows 2008 environment http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-across-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx .
Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to replace browstat.exe. :-)
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| listmail
Posts:428
| | 07/29/2008 10:31 AM |
| Ok folks "everyone calm down"(tm)... 
When people say NetBIOS name resolution, please replace that with SHORT HOST
NAME resolution. It has been approximately 10 years or so since I last saw a
strictly NetBIOS name resolution item that couldn't be handled with say
proper short host names in DNS for instance. The Windows name resolution
process is a fixed process (by OS Rev) and has included querying DNS for
some time. Get a network trace and watch what it does sometime for fun. The
browsing stuff gives you names, WINS decodes those names to IPs. If the name
can be resolved in DNS, that will work as well. In many large orgs though
that have multiple domains, or more accurately, multiple DNS domain zones
the short host name resolution in DNS is only in existence for the same DNS
domain zone (not to be confused with AD Domain though it *could* mean one
and the same) the client is in or one of the superior zones.
WINS just makes it all easier to use in a larger environment. Its one of the
reasons I like it, it requires less understanding of the networking layer
out of the Windows admins which, unfortunately happens to be a good thing
because we have a requiremnet for that, again, unfortunately.
When someone says WINS is needed, they almost certainly mean, SHORT HOST
NAME name resolution is needed. MSFT is helping to try and kill the "WINS
requirement" by adding Global Name Zones functionality to the DNS system. I
mean it is inflexible, non-dynamic, and kind of a pain to manage but what do
you expect, if they made it work as nice as WINS, they would have no reason
to get rid of WINS which "everyone" (tm) says is a good thing.
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http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Oscar Soto Casali
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:12 PM
To: 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Hi:
I think the blog should say: If you are using Netbios. Because you dont
need netbios in an active directory domain. But, if you are using the Old
Style network browsing (using Explorer), rather tan searching for file
shares using Active Directory search, then you need to use WINS in a subnet
environment, because Netbios Name works via Broadcast if you dont use a
Netbios Name Server, and the Netbios Broadcast doesn´t cross subnets.
Oscar Soto Casali | MVP Directory Services | MCSE Messaging + Security
Consultor Comunicaciones Unificadas | OCS 2007 | Exchange Server 2007
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De: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] En nombre de Robert Singers
Enviado el: Lunes, 28 de Julio de 2008 21:00
Para: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Asunto: RE: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
" In a multiple subnet environment, make sure WINS is configured properly so
that you have the proper NetBIOS name resolution. After making the
corrections, the computers holding the master browser roles will begin to
populate the browse list for the entire network."
I read that as a recommendation to have WINS running.
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 12:07 p.m.
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Did I read that differently than you? I don't see a recommendation for WINS
per se.
Interesting though that's for sure.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Robert Singers <robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz>
wrote:
Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows 2008
environment
http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-acro
ss-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx .
Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to replace
browstat.exe. :-)
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| JackP
Posts:40
| | 07/29/2008 10:52 AM |
| I love these discussions  So much fun to read.
While I agree WINS can make things a no brainer, which as joe says is good
and bad, my personal frustration comes from its mystery. I can see and
understand everything that DNS does and I can control it pretty well. The
thing that always drove me crazy about WINS is its tendency to have
strange things happen for seemingly no reason. For example, a 1CH record
for a domain disappearing one day, and no amount of synching could get it
back. Then 1 day later, it magically shows back up.
Since the inception of trusts using DNS, I've never had one spontaneously
fail like would happen with WINS back in NT4.
Maybe it was just our organization, but these strange things happened many
times and it built a major distrust of WINS for me.
-Jack
"joe" <listmail@joeware.net>
Sent by: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
07/29/2008 10:29 AM
Please respond to
ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
To
<ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
cc
Subject
RE: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Ok folks "everyone calm down"(tm)...
When people say NetBIOS name resolution, please replace that with SHORT
HOST NAME resolution. It has been approximately 10 years or so since I
last saw a strictly NetBIOS name resolution item that couldn't be handled
with say proper short host names in DNS for instance. The Windows name
resolution process is a fixed process (by OS Rev) and has included
querying DNS for some time. Get a network trace and watch what it does
sometime for fun. The browsing stuff gives you names, WINS decodes those
names to IPs. If the name can be resolved in DNS, that will work as well.
In many large orgs though that have multiple domains, or more accurately,
multiple DNS domain zones the short host name resolution in DNS is only in
existence for the same DNS domain zone (not to be confused with AD Domain
though it *could* mean one and the same) the client is in or one of the
superior zones.
WINS just makes it all easier to use in a larger environment. Its one of
the reasons I like it, it requires less understanding of the networking
layer out of the Windows admins which, unfortunately happens to be a good
thing because we have a requiremnet for that, again, unfortunately.
When someone says WINS is needed, they almost certainly mean, SHORT HOST
NAME name resolution is needed. MSFT is helping to try and kill the "WINS
requirement" by adding Global Name Zones functionality to the DNS system.
I mean it is inflexible, non-dynamic, and kind of a pain to manage but
what do you expect, if they made it work as nice as WINS, they would have
no reason to get rid of WINS which "everyone" (tm) says is a good thing.
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Oscar Soto Casali
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 9:12 PM
To: 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org'
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Hi:
I think the blog should say: ?If you are using Netbios?. Because you
don?t need netbios in an active directory domain. But, if you are using
the Old Style network browsing (using Explorer), rather tan searching for
file shares using Active Directory search, then you need to use WINS in a
subnet environment, because Netbios Name works via Broadcast if you don?t
use a Netbios Name Server, and the Netbios Broadcast doesn´t cross
subnet?s.
Oscar Soto Casali | MVP Directory Services | MCSE Messaging + Security
Consultor Comunicaciones Unificadas | OCS 2007 | Exchange Server 2007
De: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] En nombre de Robert Singers
Enviado el: Lunes, 28 de Julio de 2008 21:00
Para: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Asunto: RE: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
" In a multiple subnet environment, make sure WINS is configured properly
so that you have the proper NetBIOS name resolution. After making the
corrections, the computers holding the master browser roles will begin to
populate the browse list for the entire network."
I read that as a recommendation to have WINS running.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 12:07 p.m.
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Fanning the flames of the holy war :-)
Did I read that differently than you? I don't see a recommendation for
WINS per se.
Interesting though that's for sure.
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 7:29 PM, Robert Singers <
robert.singers@dbh.govt.nz> wrote:
Interesting to see a recomendation to enable WINS in a Windows 2008
environment
http://blogs.technet.com/networking/archive/2008/07/25/netbios-browsing-across-subnets-may-fail-after-upgrading-to-windows-server-2008.aspx
.
Perhaps someone should come up with a Powershell cmdlet to replace
browstat.exe. :-)
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