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banderson
Posts:13
 | | 09/08/2008 4:09 PM |
| Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is
Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate
Consolidation we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on
Blackheepinc.net to become BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com. Would this be
a good job for the Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Domain Rename
Tools and are there any real gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com
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| bsonposh
Posts:171
| | 09/08/2008 4:09 PM |
| Any particular reason why you want to rename? What is your "end" goal.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Bob Anderson <banderson@kentwatersports.com
> wrote:
> Good Afternoon,
> I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is
> Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate Consolidation
> we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on Blackheepinc.net to become
> BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com <http://bs-master.kentwatersports.com/>.
> Would this be a good job for the Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Domain
> Rename Tools and are there any real gothcas with the procedure.
>
>
> Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
>
>
> Bob Anderson
> IT Manager
> Kent Sporting Goods
> 433 Park Ave. S
> New London OH 44851
> 419-929-7021 x315
> email: banderson@kentwatersports.com
>
>
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| tvanderkooi
Posts:15
| | 09/08/2008 4:09 PM |
| Whether this will work depends greatly on what other apps are running on your network. If you have Exchange 2007 you are out of luck, Exchange 2003 just a major hassle, no Exchange...much simpler. There are other apps with similar gotchas involved.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 1:56 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate Consolidation we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on Blackheepinc.net to become BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com. Would this be a good job for the Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Domain Rename Tools and are there any real gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com<mailto:banderson@kentwatersports.com>
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| florian
Posts:11
| | 09/08/2008 4:11 PM |
| Bob,
generally speaking, I'd circumvent a domain rename as far as I can. Why? It
breaks things. Although there's the random tool that does the rename part,
can you enumerate all portions of software you're running in the domain that
might and will break once the rename process is done?
I would try to circumvent the whole rename part and try to create a forest
trust between the two forests.
Cheers,
Florian
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| ploonen
Posts:6
| | 09/08/2008 4:11 PM |
| Apart from the all the reasons everyone else cited, are these domains in the same forest?
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
Sent: Monday, 25 August, 2008 8:56 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate Consolidation we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on Blackheepinc.net to become BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com. Would this be a good job for the Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Domain Rename Tools and are there any real gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com<mailto:banderson@kentwatersports.com>
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| PARRIS
Posts:97
| | 09/08/2008 4:11 PM |
| Do you want to rename the domain and "Graft" the domain in to the existing
domain?
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: 25 August 2008 20:07
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
If you are doing true consolidation, I would expect you would migrate the
BlackSheepInc.net to a new domain in the KentWaterSports.com forest called
BS-Master (which I expect will be a domain name with endless opportunities
for joking around...) - not rename.
joe
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:56 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is
Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate Consolidation
we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on Blackheepinc.net to become
BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com. Would this be a good job for the Windows
Server 2003 Active Directory Domain Rename Tools and are there any real
gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com
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| Tony
Posts:50
| | 09/08/2008 4:11 PM |
| >> ...cosmetic forestry
Love it J
I agree with all the comments about trying to avoid domain renames. Given
the goal Bob has been asked to do, a migration sounds like the way forward
anyway. If he needs some ammunition to avoid joining a new domain to an
existing forest (as opposed to migrating into the existing KentWaterSports
domain), he should maybe take a look at this:
http://www.activedir.org/Articles/tabid/54/articleType/ArticleView/articleId
/68/Default.aspx
Also bear in mind that migrations can be very expensive and risky things to
do. Try to challenge those who are requesting the work - hit them where it
hurts Ώ]
Tony
Ώ] In the pocket.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parris
Sent: Tuesday, 26 August 2008 10:05 a.m.
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
I don't know why you need two domains, but as Joe said, either create a
child domain of KentWaterSports or perhaps (simplistically) you could create
a few OU's and using a tools such as ADMT migrate the users and from
BlackSheepInc into KentWaterSports. It will be time and effort whatever way
you choose to progress the issue - but I would speak to the 'uppers' before
any work commences as time and effort for cosmetic forestry, is in my
opinion not the best use of resource and they may agree.
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: 25 August 2008 22:28
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: AD: RE: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Well there is no graft function, so you need to do what I specified. Migrate
the domain into a domain you add to the KentWaterSports forest.
joe
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:57 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Mark,
Yes that's what the uppers would like. They want it gone. and it would
probably make my life easier.
Bob
IT Manager
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parris
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:53 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Do you want to rename the domain and "Graft" the domain in to the existing
domain?
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: 25 August 2008 20:07
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
If you are doing true consolidation, I would expect you would migrate the
BlackSheepInc.net to a new domain in the KentWaterSports.com forest called
BS-Master (which I expect will be a domain name with endless opportunities
for joking around...) - not rename.
joe
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 2:56 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is
Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate Consolidation
we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on Blackheepinc.net to become
BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com. Would this be a good job for the Windows
Server 2003 Active Directory Domain Rename Tools and are there any real
gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com
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| banderson
Posts:13
| | 09/08/2008 4:15 PM |
| Brandon and all,
I think I may have be using the wrong terminology yesterday.
We have two locations Here at Headquarters we have a Windows 2003 Ad
forest: KentWaterSports.com
At the other location we have a Windows 2003 AD forest:
blacksheepinc.blacksheepinc.net
As Mark Parris said yesterday I want to rename the
blacksheepinc.blacksheepinc.net forest to a kentwatersports.com and
graft it onto our forest
The two locations are tied by dedicated VPNs so there is ample bandwidth
for replication
What I would like to end up with is 2 GC/DC plus an Exchange Server at
headquarters and another gc/dc at the other plant so that the 10 users
there would not be logging on across the VPN just the DC would be doing
replication this would also allow us to setup for for more DFS than we
have now.
Am I all wrong in my thinking or is my terminology wrong
Bob
IT Manager
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 3:01 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Any particular reason why you want to rename? What is your "end" goal.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Bob Anderson
<banderson@kentwatersports.com> wrote:
Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other
is Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate
Consolidation we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on
Blackheepinc.net to become BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com
<http://bs-master.kentwatersports.com/> . Would this be a good job for
the Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Domain Rename Tools and are
there any real gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com
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| listmail
Posts:445
| | 09/08/2008 4:15 PM |
| You cannot graft one forest to another. You will have to migrate the users
and resources from one forest to the other. Preferably, you will migrate
them into an OU in the kentwatersports.com domain, but if you must, you
could set up a second domain in that forest and migrate the resources and
users into that instead.
joe
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Bob Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:23 AM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Brandon and all,
I think I may have be using the wrong terminology yesterday.
We have two locations Here at Headquarters we have a Windows 2003 Ad forest:
KentWaterSports.com
At the other location we have a Windows 2003 AD forest:
blacksheepinc.blacksheepinc.net
As Mark Parris said yesterday I want to rename the
blacksheepinc.blacksheepinc.net forest to a kentwatersports.com and graft it
onto our forest
The two locations are tied by dedicated VPNs so there is ample bandwidth for
replication
What I would like to end up with is 2 GC/DC plus an Exchange Server at
headquarters and another gc/dc at the other plant so that the 10 users there
would not be logging on across the VPN just the DC would be doing
replication this would also allow us to setup for for more DFS than we have
now.
Am I all wrong in my thinking or is my terminology wrong
Bob
IT Manager
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 3:01 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Renaming a Domain
Any particular reason why you want to rename? What is your "end" goal.
On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Bob Anderson
<banderson@kentwatersports.com> wrote:
Good Afternoon,
I have two domains one is KentWaterSports.com and the other is
Blacksheepinc.net both Windows 2003 R2 AD. Due to corporate Consolidation
we want to-do a Domain Rename on the DC on Blackheepinc.net to become
BS-Master.KentWaterSports.com <http://bs-master.kentwatersports.com/> .
Would this be a good job for the Windows Server 2003 Active Directory Domain
Rename Tools and are there any real gothcas with the procedure.
Thanks in advance from a Active Directory Newbie/Learner.
Bob Anderson
IT Manager
Kent Sporting Goods
433 Park Ave. S
New London OH 44851
419-929-7021 x315
email: banderson@kentwatersports.com
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