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| I have to agree with Gil.
Paying for DEC (still trying to choke down the TEC name - its sort of like
trying to rename ADAM to me...) is paying for the forum in which a bunch of
techno folks get together and talk and where the AD Consumers get to talk to
the people they read about or otherwise know about in the field. The product
team is one group of techo folks who choose to come to DEC and the presence
they commit is astounding, last year in Vegas was a little light but the
year before at Red Rock we had fantastic turnout from the DS Team. That made
sense from a variety of standpoints, without dissing Chicago in
Winter/Spring, the major one being that Vegas is just a puddle jump from
Redmond.
I know it is a fact that DEC provides great value for the PG to be there
having talked to several of the PG folks specifically about it and seeing
the take aways that come from DEC. The feedback they get there is very
relevant to them and something they really focus on. They aren't taking all
the notes for their own health. They understand that there are a lot of
heavy duty AD Talent and consumers there and it is worth their time to
attend and get and better yet, understand from the consumers viewpoint, what
the feedback is.
There has always been a strong tie between the DS MVPs, DS PG, and the
participants at DEC. I've said it more than once, that the between session
and after hours in the bar banter with everyone is the best part of the
whole thing. You will find the MSFT PG folks knee deep in that and for the
most part loving it. I don't know of any other conference that I have
personally attended over the last 10 years that touches it. I would actually
relish the idea of Motel 6 with beer and pizza. No formal sessions, just
people getting together and talking about what is going on. I understand the
formal sessions are a chance to give people more focus on what to discuss
though as well as to possibly introduce folks to things that they may not
have otherwise been aware of. I absolutely love DEC and talking to all of
the people, I just don't like having to get up in front of audiences and
speak there, it isn't me, that is a Dean thing to be in the spot light. I
much rather just sit in the bar and talk to folks or mingle in the between
sessions and hang out in the birds of a feather sessions in more intimate
conversation settings.
I saw a post the other day that said the formal speaking sessions are now
posted and went out and looked and saw we have Brett Shirley and Dmitri
Gavrilov speaking which blew me away. Those should be some extremely
interesting sessions though they won't be for the faint of heart; especially
Brett's sessions. Most people can spell ESE but can't pronounce it nor have
any real understanding of what is going on in it and honestly, because
things have been done so well they for the most part don't even need to know
what is going on with it.... it isn't like SQL Server where you have to go
in and muck with it all the time. It just works. 
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Gil Kirkpatrick
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:23 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Not really
it depends on the thrust of the conference. WindowsConnections
doesnt usually have much in the way of program management presence, for
example. TEC/DEC/whatever J has a strong program management presence because
we view the MSFT program management teams as one of our core constituents,
and we organize the conference so it provides value to the product teams as
well as to the attendees.
In the case of TEC, the $$ just lets us have the event in nicer places with
better food and facilities. My original idea for DEC was a Motel 6 and beer
and pizza. J
-gil
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parris (L)
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 2:50 AM
To: ActiveDir
Subject: Re: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Is that not always a by-product of a $$££ event?
TechED to a certain extent but "DEC/TEC Whatever" it is very much the case.
I am not saying it is a bad thing, it's just the way it happens.
Regards,
Mark Parris
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From: "joe" <listmail@joeware.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 12:18:01 -0400
To: <ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
Subject: RE: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
I can see the advertising now... Pay X dollars now and you too can have
product team interaction...
--
O'Reilly Active Directory Third Edition -
http://www.joeware.net/win/ad3e.htm
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From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brandon Shell
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:07 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
I personally would favor the idea of always keeping it in Redmond. That
could help keep the quality of material and attendees at a high level. One
would also expect, at that level, some form of product group relation so the
PM contacts would be a great selling point.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Chris Ransom <chrisran@microsoft.com>
wrote:
There will be more locations next year, but nothing official yet. Coming to
Redmond also means you get to see the main campus, and potentially Program
Managers
Chris Ransom
Senior Premier Field Engineer - Active Directory
South Central District - San Antonio
US Central Premier Field Engineering
Email: <mailto:chrisran@microsoft.com> chrisran@microsoft.com
Cell: 210.482.0157
Fax: 425.708.5237
Blog: http://mschrisran.spaces.live.com <http://mschrisran.spaces.live.com/>
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Steven Griffiths
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 10:38 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Chris,
Is it planned that there will be some UK-based trainig for this program at
some point in the future?
Steve G
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From: chrisran@microsoft.com
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
CC: Walter.Boyd@microsoft.com
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2008 08:10:12 -0700
Subject: RE: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Registration site is open, and the November Rotation is half off
<http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/master/register/default.mspx>
http://www.microsoft.com/learning/mcp/master/register/default.mspx
Chris Ransom
Senior Premier Field Engineer - Active Directory
South Central District - San Antonio
US Central Premier Field Engineering
Email: <mailto:chrisran@microsoft.com> chrisran@microsoft.com
Cell: 210.482.0157
Fax: 425.708.5237
Blog: http://mschrisran.spaces.live.com <http://mschrisran.spaces.live.com/>
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parris (L)
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 8:35 AM
To: ActiveDir
Cc: Walter Boyd
Subject: Re: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Chris,
Many thanks and please keep any relevant content coming.
Regards,
Mark Parris
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From: Chris Ransom <chrisran@microsoft.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:42:02 -0700
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
CC: Walter Boyd<Walter.Boyd@microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
I'll throw a couple samples out of level 300 content in a module, there will
be more produced after the July rotation, and for sure before the November
Public class.
I'm writing these on the fly, and they are not out of our documentation yet,
so take it for what it's worth:
1) AD Replication
a. Understand Replication Internals
i. Be
able to troubleshoot and repair broken replication for common issues (secure
channel, beyond TSL, name resolution dependencies ,etc)
ii.
Understand USN Rollback, and how to correct any potential failure points
b. Understand design concerns around Sites & Services topology
i.
Effectively use BASL, Sites Links, Site Costing, Change Notification or
other advanced features.
2) FRS or DFSR
a. Understand how FRS and DFSR function (and differ)
i.
Understand common issues with FRS, and how to repair them, such as Journal
Wrap, Morphed Folder, and Auth/Non Auth Restore.
Those are a couple samples which might help set the tone for level 300
scenarios. Remember the class will start content at 300, but will go in and
out of 300-350.
The overall gist is you should be able to "design", deploy, maintain, and
fix things that are broken in most of the 5 categories (ADDS, ADLDS, ADFS,
ADCS, ADRMS).
ADRMS, ADFS, and ADCS will most likely have the highest level of newbie's
during the class, and we understand that so the content for those will most
likely slip back to level 250, so there are more basics, but for the ADDS
you should really know your stuff.
I'll work with Walter Boyd (PM for MCM irectory, and reports to Per), and
see if we can publish our Objective Domain once it is finished.
Let me know if you have more questions,
Chris Ransom
Microsoft Certified Master - Windows Server 2008 - Directory
Senior Premier Field Engineer - Active Directory
US Central Premier Field Engineering
Microsoft Services
Email: <mailto:chrisran@microsoft.com> chrisran@microsoft.com
cert-masterΏ]
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mark Parris (L)
Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 2:00 AM
To: ActiveDir
Subject: Re: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Chris,
What I really would like to know is a little bit more about the area's to
study. I was at TechED and I heard Per's talk and I spoke with Trika so I
understand the basics.
The page on MSLearning is I feel a little nondescript in what content to
learn or exact level of detail required.
Prerequisites Experience
Five or more years of hands-on experience with Windows Active Directory:
installing, designing, configuring, and trouble shooting
A thorough understanding of Windows Active Directory design and architecture
A 300-level understanding of site component topology, forest operations and
topology, Active Directory distributed file system, file replication
services, security, client interactions, and Group Policy
A basic understanding of Active Directory Certificate Services, Rights
Management Services, Active Directory Federated Services, and ADAM/Active
Directory Lightweight Directory Services
Functional skills in basic protocol analysis, Hyper-V, scripting PKI, and IP
addressing and routing
Speak, understand, and write in fluent English
It would be really good if this could be broken down into:
1. What a basic understanding actually means?
2. Functional skills - i.e. does this mean you have to be a guru or just
that you can power on a VM?
3. A break down of what the level 300 content requires you to know, i.e.
make sure you know replication inside out, know how to permission the AD,
read SDDL for fun,
I know it's in its infancy but it is something I would like to acheive and
if and when I can get on it - I would like to be as prepared as I can be.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Mark Parris
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From: Chris Ransom <chrisran@microsoft.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 18:57:20 -0700
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
Subject: AD: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
What do you want to know about it?
I'm working on finalizing the training content for the July rotation (which
starts tomorrow), as we speak.
And I wrote most of the lab exam, and some content for the first rotation.
So ask, and we will see what if I can answer..
Chris Ransom
Microsoft Certified Master - Windows Server 2008 - Directory
Senior Premier Field Engineer - Active Directory
US Central Premier Field Engineering
Microsoft Services
Email: <mailto:chrisran@microsoft.com> chrisran@microsoft.com
cert-masterΏ]
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Roelf Zomerman
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 8:49 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
Well I can tell you more in the coming days and next two weeks (if they
allow me).. cause guess what! Me is in redmond Right Now for that course!
Indeed first year only in redmond, three written exams as far as I know now.
You can try the exams again.. but it's gonna cost 250 per written en 1500
for the final lab.
More info:
http://blogs.msdn.com/trika/archive/2008/06/26/more-on-the-certified-master-
programs-from-me-per-the-program-owner.aspx
-Roelf
From: ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 6:22 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] McMaster's:AD
The 18K buys you three weeks of classroom training/labs, two or three
written exams, and a lab practical. It's a couple grand more to try again if
you don't pass. First year it's only being offered in Redmond. Supposedly WW
after that.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 7:12 PM, Mark Parris (L) <lists@baseit.co.uk> wrote:
Does anyone on the list hold the MCM:AD title as of yet? (People do!)
Anyone planning on taking it?
What was the experience like?
What are people using to study?
Any insider information?
What does $18500 buy you (no airplane humour please)?
Regards,
Mark Parris
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