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ajax
Posts:20
 | | 11/15/2005 8:34 AM |
| This just
in:
"As some of you are
attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you who are not
get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that
we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions about
why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some background
on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that
we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP
deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange | | | |
| bdesmond
Posts:996
| | 11/15/2005 2:12 AM |
| Where™d you find that?
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This
just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you
who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that
we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions
about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some
background on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from
64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange | | | |
| iainmccall
Posts:3
| | 11/15/2005 2:25 AM |
| http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/nov05/11-15ITForum05UmbrellaPR.mspx
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian
DesmondSent: 15 November 2005 14:03To:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where™d
you find that?
Thanks,Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Martin
TuipSent: Tuesday, November
15, 2005 3:33 AMTo:
exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange
Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just
in:
"As some of you are attending IT
Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you
who are not get the latest updates. At IT
Forum, Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its
product lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us
and it is one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below
provides some background on the factors that lead to this decision and also
the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP
deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange
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| bdesmond
Posts:996
| | 11/15/2005 3:03 AM |
| Well that™s a bitch. Just bought new hardware.
Thanks.
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
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c -
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From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of iain.mccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
9:24 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2005/nov05/11-15ITForum05UmbrellaPR.mspx
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: 15 November 2005 14:03
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where™d you find that?
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This
just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you
who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that
we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions
about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some
background on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from
64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange
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Posts:824
| | 11/15/2005 3:21 AM |
| Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the
summit, I think he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his
keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft
has been delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
released SQL Server„¢ 2005, Visual Studio® 2005 and Virtual Server
2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
computing, products including Microsoft® Exchange Server 12,
Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢ Longhorn Small Business
Server, and Microsoft™s infrastructure solution for midsize businesses,
code-named Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit and
optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft™s
upcoming Windows Server Longhorn operating system, code-named Windows Server
Longhorn R2, customers will see the complete transition to 64-bit-only
hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit application
compatibility. For the highest-scale application and database workloads, Windows
Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice
for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going
into all of those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but
to buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some
time. Though I am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work
right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there?
Something with maybe a BSD license?
joe
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian
DesmondSent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where™d
you find that?
Thanks,Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Martin
TuipSent: Tuesday, November
15, 2005 3:33 AMTo:
exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange
Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just
in:
"As some of you are attending IT
Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you who
are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product lines. As part
of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will be 64 bit
only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that we did not
make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions about why
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some background on
the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we
are seeing in our early dog food & TAP
deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange | | | |
| sbradcpa
Posts:496
| | 11/15/2005 3:49 AM |
| Not to mention beta testing the SBS and Centro platforms is going to be
fun. :-)
Actually there were/are hints on 64 bit only that was said before the
summit. If you look at the SBS FAQ public page the discussion is there.
Actually not as insane as you think. By the time LH comes out they
will probably need new hardware.
joe wrote:
Wow. I don't recall Muglia
making that statement at the summit, I think he would have been beaten
up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product
announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to
64-bit computing, Microsoft has been delivering products that are
optimized for 64-bit, including the newly released SQL Server„¢ 2005,
Visual Studio® 2005 and Virtual Server 2005 R2. To
help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit computing,
products including Microsoft® Exchange Server 12, Windows
Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢ Longhorn Small Business
Server, and Microsoft™s infrastructure solution for midsize businesses,
code-named Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit
and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to
Microsoft™s upcoming Windows Server Longhorn operating system,
code-named Windows Server Longhorn R2, customers will see the
complete transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting
from 32-bit and 64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale
application and database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit
Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice for
customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty
funny too... Imagine going into all of those small companies and
telling them they don't have a choice but to buy a new server when they
want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3
and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I am already seeing a huge
reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU
message/collaboration apps out there? Something with maybe a BSD
license?
joe
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian
Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Where™d
you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c
- 312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday,
November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To:
exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir]
Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are
attending IT Forum in Barcelona,
I want to make sure those of you who are not get the latest updates.
At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange
12 will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it
is one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail
below provides some background on the factors that lead to this
decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our
early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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| sbradcpa
Posts:496
| | 11/15/2005 3:56 AM |
| The Official SBS Support Blog : 64 Bit Only Windows Server„¢ Longhorn
Small Business Server:
http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/2005/11/15/414519.aspx
Support guys love it though... no horrific inplaces. Clean platforms for
Longhorn.
joe wrote:
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I
think he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
released SQL Server„¢ 2005, Visual Studio^® 2005 and Virtual Server
2005 R2. *To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
computing, products including Microsoft^® Exchange Server 12,
Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢ Longhorn Small
Business Server, and Microsoft™s infrastructure solution for midsize
businesses, code-named Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit and
optimized for x64 hardware.* In a future update release to Microsoft™s
upcoming Windows Server Longhorn operating system, code-named
Windows Server Longhorn R2, customers will see the complete
transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit
and 64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale
application and database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit
Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice for
customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though
I am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
maybe a BSD license?
joe
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Brian Desmond
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
*To:* ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
*Where™d you find that?*
* *
**Thanks,***
**Brian Desmond***
**brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx**
**c - 312.731.3132**
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*From:* ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Martin Tuip
*Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
*To:* exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Subject:* [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
//"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
sure those of you who are not get the latest updates. ////At IT Forum,
Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its
product lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us
and it is one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your
customers may have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only
and the mail below provides some background on the factors that lead
to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing
in our early dog food & TAP deployments."//
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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| michael@xxxx.yyy
| | 11/15/2005 4:32 AM |
| It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the
Exchange MVPs.
I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it
is a serious mistake.
M
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
joeSent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the
summit, I think he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his
keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft
has been delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
released SQL Server„¢ 2005, Visual Studio® 2005 and Virtual Server
2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
computing, products including Microsoft® Exchange Server 12,
Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢ Longhorn Small Business
Server, and Microsoft™s infrastructure solution for midsize businesses,
code-named Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit and
optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft™s
upcoming Windows Server Longhorn operating system, code-named Windows Server
Longhorn R2, customers will see the complete transition to 64-bit-only
hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit application
compatibility. For the highest-scale application and database workloads, Windows
Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice
for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going
into all of those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but
to buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some
time. Though I am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work
right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there?
Something with maybe a BSD license?
joe
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian
DesmondSent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AMTo:
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where™d
you find that?
Thanks,Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Martin
TuipSent: Tuesday, November
15, 2005 3:33 AMTo:
exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange
Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just
in:
"As some of you are attending IT
Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you who
are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product lines. As part
of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will be 64 bit
only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that we did not
make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions about why
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some background on
the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we
are seeing in our early dog food & TAP
deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange | | | |
| bdesmond
Posts:996
| | 11/15/2005 4:51 AM |
| Neither do I. We just put in a 400K dollar Exchange 2003 environment like
18 months ago. I don™t think the client is going to be thrilled to hear
that was all a waste as it will only run one version of Exchange.
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
10:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that
statement at the summit, I think he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product
announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit
computing, Microsoft has been delivering products that are optimized for
64-bit, including the newly released SQL Server„¢ 2005, Visual Studio®
2005 and Virtual Server 2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of
64-bit computing, products including Microsoft® Exchange Server
12, Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢
Longhorn Small Business Server, and Microsoft™s
infrastructure solution for midsize businesses, code-named
Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft™s upcoming Windows
Server Longhorn operating system, code-named Windows Server
Longhorn R2, customers will see the complete transition to
64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit application
compatibility. For the highest-scale application and database workloads,
Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier
choice for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too...
Imagine going into all of those small companies and telling them they don't
have a choice but to buy a new server when they want to get the new security
enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and
Exchange K3 for some time. Though I am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis
and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration
apps out there? Something with maybe a BSD license?
joe
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
9:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir]
Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where™d you find that?
Thanks,
Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts
Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This
just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you
who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that
we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions
about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some
background on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from
64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
Exchange | | | |
| listmail
Posts:824
| | 11/15/2005 5:16 AM |
| What if someone is running 32 bit on a 64 bit? Still not allow an inplace?
Personally I hate upgrades, won't do them except in the absolute this is
required case (which the only required case is the PDC of an NT4 domain to
retain the domain info). The fact that I hate them doesn't prevent others
from still wanting to do it. :)
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley, CPA
aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:35 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
The Official SBS Support Blog : 64 Bit Only Windows ServerT "Longhorn"
Small Business Server:
http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/2005/11/15/414519.aspx
Support guys love it though... no horrific inplaces. Clean platforms for
Longhorn.
joe wrote:
> Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I
> think he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
> "Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
> As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
> delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
> released SQL ServerT 2005, Visual Studio^R 2005 and Virtual Server
> 2005 R2. *To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
> computing, products including Microsoft^R Exchange Server "12,"
> Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows ServerT "Longhorn" Small
> Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for midsize
> businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
> optimized for x64 hardware.* In a future update release to Microsoft's
> upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named
> Windows Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete
> transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit
> and 64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale
> application and database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit
> Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice for
> customers for years to come."
> The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
> those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
> buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
> I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though
> I am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
> Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
> maybe a BSD license?
> joe
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Brian
> Desmond
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
> *To:* ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
> announcement
>
> *Where'd you find that?*
>
> * *
>
> **Thanks,***
> **Brian Desmond***
>
> **brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx**
>
> **c - 312.731.3132**
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
> *From:* ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Martin Tuip
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
> *To:* exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
> announcement
>
> This just in:
>
> //"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
> sure those of you who are not get the latest updates. ////At IT Forum,
> Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its
> product lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that
> Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us
> and it is one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your
> customers may have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only
> and the mail below provides some background on the factors that lead
> to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing
> in our early dog food & TAP deployments."//
>
> Martin Tuip
>
> MVP Exchange
>
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| | 11/15/2005 5:19 AM |
| Realistically figure Longhorn in 2007. Companies that lease
hardware are usually on a 3-year cycle so people leasing now already better be
getting x64 or very close to it. I doubt most are as I don't believe the
acceptance is anywhere as deep as MS seems to imply in that release, heck I
still see W2K and E2K on old old hardware on a regular basis. Actually more
regularly than I see E2K3 and K3.
As for folks that buy the hardware, they keep it until it
falls over dead and can't be repaired.
Obviously the SBS upgrade is required due to the Exchange
decision.
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley,
CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:32
AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: Re: [ActiveDir]
Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Not to mention beta testing the SBS and Centro platforms is going to
be fun. :-)Actually there were/are hints on 64 bit only that was
said before the summit. If you look at the SBS FAQ public page the
discussion is there.Actually not as insane as you think. By the
time LH comes out they will probably need new hardware.joe wrote:
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the
summit, I think he would have been beaten up pretty
bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his
keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft
has been delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the
newly released SQL Server„¢ 2005, Visual Studio® 2005 and Virtual
Server 2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of
64-bit computing, products including Microsoft® Exchange Server
12, Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢ Longhorn Small
Business Server, and Microsoft™s infrastructure solution for midsize
businesses, code-named Centro, will be exclusively
64-bit and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update
release to Microsoft™s upcoming Windows Server Longhorn operating system,
code-named Windows Server Longhorn R2, customers will see the complete
transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and
64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to
come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going
into all of those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice
but to buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some
time. Though I am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work
right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there?
Something with maybe a BSD license?
joe
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Brian DesmondSent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005
9:03 AMTo: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject:
RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Where™d
you find that?
Thanks,Brian
Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c -
312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Martin
TuipSent: Tuesday, November
15, 2005 3:33 AMTo: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange
Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just
in:
"As some of you are attending IT
Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure those of you
who are not get the latest updates. At IT
Forum, Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its
product lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us
and it is one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below
provides some background on the factors that lead to this decision and also
the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP
deployments."
Martin
Tuip
MVP
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| AD000001348
Posts:0
| | 11/15/2005 6:02 AM |
| I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with Exchange
(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly huge,
so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down adoption
for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade the
hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of your
costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd like
to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to drop
the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
Al
From: "Michael B. Smith"
Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To:
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
MVPs.
I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a serious
mistake.
M
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12," Windows
Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn" Small
Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for midsize
businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
maybe a BSD license?
joe
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Where'd you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure
those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product lines.
As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one
that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have
questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below
provides some background on the factors that lead to this decision and
also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food &
TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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| AD000001348
Posts:0
| | 11/15/2005 6:04 AM |
| How long before you expect to upgrade? And how does that compare with the
hardware lifecycle?
If you find a way to future proof anything in this business, please let the
rest of us know. :)
As for Joe's question: are there other packages available? Yep. But as
with anything it depends on what you want to accomplish and your tolerance
for changes. One option might be the open source version of
http://www.zimbra.com/products/index.html which implements what looks to be
a popular new path - AJAX.
There are other open source projects out there as well, but sometimes you
really do get what you pay for.
-ajm
From: "Brian Desmond"
Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To:
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:00:26 -0500
Neither do I. We just put in a 400K dollar Exchange 2003 environment like
18
months ago. I don't think the client is going to be thrilled to hear that
was all a waste as it will only run one version of Exchange.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think he
would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
delivering
products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly released SQL
ServerT 2005, Visual StudioR 2005 and Virtual Server 2005 R2. To help
customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit computing, products
including MicrosoftR Exchange Server "12," Windows Compute Cluster Server
2003, Windows ServerT "Longhorn" Small Business Server, and Microsoft's
infrastructure solution for midsize businesses, code-named "Centro," will
be
exclusively 64-bit and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update
release to Microsoft's upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system,
code-named Windows Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete
transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and
64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of those
small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to buy a new
server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I am
already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with maybe
a BSD license?
joe
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Where'd you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
_____
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make sure
those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
will
announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product lines. As part
of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12 will be 64 bit
only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one that we did not
make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have questions about why
Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below provides some background
on the factors that lead to this decision and also the benefits from 64 bit
that we are seeing in our early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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| sbradcpa
Posts:496
| | 11/15/2005 6:31 AM |
| And for us 'let's wait for SP1" folks a year after that.
It will be about 2008 for critical mass...given my hardware was bought
in 2004... I'll be due for new toy server stuff by that time. ;-)
joe wrote:
Realistically figure Longhorn in
2007. Companies that lease hardware are usually on a 3-year cycle so
people leasing now already better be getting x64 or very close to it. I
doubt most are as I don't believe the acceptance is anywhere as deep as
MS seems to imply in that release, heck I still see W2K and E2K on old
old hardware on a regular basis. Actually more regularly than I see
E2K3 and K3.
As for folks that buy the
hardware, they keep it until it falls over dead and can't be repaired.
Obviously the SBS upgrade is
required due to the Exchange decision.
From:
ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Susan
Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:32 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Not to mention beta testing the SBS and Centro platforms is going to be
fun. :-)
Actually there were/are hints on 64 bit only that was said before the
summit. If you look at the SBS FAQ public page the discussion is there.
Actually not as insane as you think. By the time LH comes out they
will probably need new hardware.
joe wrote:
Wow. I don't recall Muglia
making that statement at the summit, I think he would have been beaten
up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product
announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to
64-bit computing, Microsoft has been delivering products that are
optimized for 64-bit, including the newly released SQL Server„¢ 2005,
Visual Studio® 2005 and Virtual Server 2005 R2. To
help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit computing,
products including Microsoft® Exchange Server 12, Windows
Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server„¢ Longhorn Small Business
Server, and Microsoft™s infrastructure solution for midsize businesses,
code-named Centro, will be exclusively 64-bit
and optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to
Microsoft™s upcoming Windows Server Longhorn operating system,
code-named Windows Server Longhorn R2, customers will see the
complete transition to 64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting
from 32-bit and 64-bit application compatibility. For the highest-scale
application and database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit
Itanium-based systems will continue to be the premier choice for
customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty
funny too... Imagine going into all of those small companies and
telling them they don't have a choice but to buy a new server when they
want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3
and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I am already seeing a huge
reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU
message/collaboration apps out there? Something with maybe a BSD
license?
joe
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64
bit announcement
Where™d
you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c
- 312.731.3132
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Martin
Tuip
Sent: Tuesday,
November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir]
Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are
attending IT Forum in Barcelona,
I want to make sure those of you who are not get the latest updates.
At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines. As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange
12 will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it
is one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail
below provides some background on the factors that lead to this
decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our
early dog food & TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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| AD000001335
Posts:0
| | 11/15/2005 6:49 AM |
| At last year's (2004's) MVP Summit the key "feedback theme" we Exchange MVPs
were asked was why customers were so slow to adopt Exchange 2003. The 75GB
store limit with Exchange 2003 SP2 is, I believe, a key result of that
feedback--Standard Edition customers were slow to upgrade because they
didn't get anything much out of it, and now they get a big something. Upon
hearing of the 64-bit-only idea (we were told that not that it was a done
deal, just highly likely) I stressed not that there was a lack of technical
merit, but how it was likely going to be a poor business decision. I
believe this move to be one release too early. It will just be another
barrier, whether real or perceived, for customers to upgrade.
Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:00 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with Exchange
(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly huge,
so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down adoption
for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade the
hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of your
costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd like
to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to drop
the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
Al
>From: "Michael B. Smith"
>Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To:
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
>
>It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
>MVPs.
>
>I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a
>serious mistake.
>
>M
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>
>
>Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
>he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
>
>
>"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
>
>As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
>delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
>released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
>2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
>computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12,"
>Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn"
>Small Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for
>midsize businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
>optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
>upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
>Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
>64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
>application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
>database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
>continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
>
>The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
>those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
>buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
>
>I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
>am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
>
>Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
>maybe a BSD license?
>
> joe
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>
>
>
>Where'd you find that?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Brian Desmond
>
>brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>c - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
>To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
>
>
>
>This just in:
>
>"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
>sure those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
>Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines.
>As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12
>will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is
>one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
>have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail
>below provides some background on the factors that lead to this
>decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our
>early dog food & TAP deployments."
>
>
>
>Martin Tuip
>
>MVP Exchange
>
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| milburnr
Posts:12
| | 11/15/2005 7:20 AM |
| I kinda agree with Al... Exchange 12 is still what, 18 months or so out?
How many people are going to adopt it the day it's released? My guess
is that the companies who do are typically the more IT-aggressive, and
64bit will not be such an obstacle to them. SBS aside (I'll get to that
in a minute), a lot of orgs devote their best hardware to Exchange
because it takes up so much resource. So I don't think it's a huge
stretch to imagine a company who wants to upgrade to E12, looks at their
current server, and takes the servers they have scheduled to buy for LCM
of something else and then puts E12 on those, and then uses the
relinquished but still fairly new hardware to swap out the other
LCM-ready hardware. If, that is, they really want to go to E12. My
opinion, of course, but I know that on the desktop side, it's already
getting difficult to buy x32 anymore.
In light of that, as far as SBS goes... doesn't SBS run on desktop
hardware anyway, which will certainly be 64bit by then? (ducking rocks
from Susan) :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:00 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with
Exchange
(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly
huge,
so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down
adoption
for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade
the
hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of
your
costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd
like
to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to
drop
the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
Al
>From: "Michael B. Smith"
>Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To:
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
>
>It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
>MVPs.
>
>I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a
serious
>mistake.
>
>M
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>
>
>Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
>he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
>
>
>"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
>
>As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
>delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
>released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
>2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
>computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12,"
Windows
>Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn" Small
>Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for midsize
>businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
>optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
>upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
>Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
>64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
>application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
>database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
>continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
>
>The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
>those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
>buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
>
>I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
>am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
>
>Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
>maybe a BSD license?
>
> joe
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>
>
>
>Where'd you find that?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Brian Desmond
>
>brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>c - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
>To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
>
>
>
>This just in:
>
>"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
sure
>those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
>will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines.
>As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12
will
>be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one
>that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have
>questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below
>provides some background on the factors that lead to this decision and
>also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food
&
>TAP deployments."
>
>
>
>Martin Tuip
>
>MVP Exchange
>
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| sbradcpa
Posts:496
| | 11/15/2005 8:04 AM |
| :-P
Actually assuming the STUPID blog site stays up I was going to blog
about what we are doing now is future proofing the hardware and specing
servers that can do 32 now, 64 later.
In my own case... by the time I'm ready to migrate in the office....
that's probably an eta date of 2008 and that's about on target for when
I'll be due for server upgrade anyway.
Why do I want E12? Monad. Patching ...man do I hate Exchange patches
and service packs. Exchange is truly the drag on the SBS box these days.
Rich Milburn wrote:
I kinda agree with Al... Exchange 12 is still what, 18 months or so out?
How many people are going to adopt it the day it's released? My guess
is that the companies who do are typically the more IT-aggressive, and
64bit will not be such an obstacle to them. SBS aside (I'll get to that
in a minute), a lot of orgs devote their best hardware to Exchange
because it takes up so much resource. So I don't think it's a huge
stretch to imagine a company who wants to upgrade to E12, looks at their
current server, and takes the servers they have scheduled to buy for LCM
of something else and then puts E12 on those, and then uses the
relinquished but still fairly new hardware to swap out the other
LCM-ready hardware. If, that is, they really want to go to E12. My
opinion, of course, but I know that on the desktop side, it's already
getting difficult to buy x32 anymore.
In light of that, as far as SBS goes... doesn't SBS run on desktop
hardware anyway, which will certainly be 64bit by then? (ducking rocks
from Susan) :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 11:00 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with
Exchange
(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly
huge,
so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down
adoption
for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade
the
hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of
your
costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd
like
to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to
drop
the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
Al
From: "Michael B. Smith"
Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To:
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
MVPs.
I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a
serious
mistake.
M
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12,"
Windows
Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn" Small
Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for midsize
businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
maybe a BSD license?
joe
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
announcement
Where'd you find that?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
c - 312.731.3132
________________________________
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
This just in:
"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
sure
those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum, Microsoft
will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its product
lines.
As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12
will
be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is one
that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may have
questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail below
provides some background on the factors that lead to this decision and
also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our early dog food
&
TAP deployments."
Martin Tuip
MVP Exchange
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| AD000001348
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| | 11/15/2005 8:16 AM |
| Thanks Ed. That makes sense.
Just to take it a bit further, this is a valid decision if the majority of
the target audience will be purchasing new hardware and the new hardware
choices are predominantly 64bit. May also be worth the financial decision
if the new product provides additional stability and thereby reduces the
support burden on MS assuming that enough people adopt.
Would that be correctly putting this into perspective? Or am I still missing
something?
From: "Ed Crowley [MVP]"
Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To:
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:47:53 -0800
At last year's (2004's) MVP Summit the key "feedback theme" we Exchange
MVPs
were asked was why customers were so slow to adopt Exchange 2003. The 75GB
store limit with Exchange 2003 SP2 is, I believe, a key result of that
feedback--Standard Edition customers were slow to upgrade because they
didn't get anything much out of it, and now they get a big something. Upon
hearing of the 64-bit-only idea (we were told that not that it was a done
deal, just highly likely) I stressed not that there was a lack of technical
merit, but how it was likely going to be a poor business decision. I
believe this move to be one release too early. It will just be another
barrier, whether real or perceived, for customers to upgrade.
Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:00 AM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with Exchange
(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly
huge,
so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down adoption
for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade
the
hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of
your
costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd like
to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to
drop
the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
Al
>From: "Michael B. Smith"
>Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To:
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
>
>It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
>MVPs.
>
>I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a
>serious mistake.
>
>M
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>
>
>Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
>he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
>
>
>"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
>
>As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
>delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
>released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
>2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
>computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12,"
>Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn"
>Small Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for
>midsize businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
>optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
>upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
>Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
>64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
>application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
>database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
>continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
>
>The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
>those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
>buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
>
>I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
>am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
>
>Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
>maybe a BSD license?
>
> joe
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
>announcement
>
>
>
>Where'd you find that?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>Brian Desmond
>
>brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
>c - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
>To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
>
>
>
>This just in:
>
>"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
>sure those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
>Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its
product
lines.
>As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12
>will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is
>one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
>have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail
>below provides some background on the factors that lead to this
>decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our
>early dog food & TAP deployments."
>
>
>
>Martin Tuip
>
>MVP Exchange
>
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| tonyszko
Posts:140
| | 11/15/2005 8:21 AM |
| joe wrote:
Realistically figure Longhorn in 2007. Companies that lease hardware are
usually on a 3-year cycle so people leasing now already better be
getting x64 or very close to it. I doubt most are as I don't believe the
acceptance is anywhere as deep as MS seems to imply in that release,
heck I still see W2K and E2K on old old hardware on a regular basis.
Actually more regularly than I see E2K3 and K3.
OK - but Longhorn in its current time frame which I think You are
talking about 2007 release will still support 32-bit architecture. This
press release states that Longhorn R2 will be the version which will be
64-bit only. I don't know what is a time frame for LH R2 - maybe we will
get rid of 32-bit boxes as aservers till then for other reasons (64-bit
may become cheaper then 32-bit)
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| AD000001335
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| | 11/15/2005 8:30 AM |
| I can't disagree with any of that. I think that maybe 75% of my
apprehension is strictly due to perception.
One exception to your analysis, however, is with large bureaucratic
organizations who ponder and test things over long cycles; those may delay
implenting 64-bit Exchange because they can't deploy 64-bit Windows. But
such organizations would probably take forever to make ANY upgrade, so
perhaps that's a moot case.
Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
-----Original Message-----
From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 12:11 PM
To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
Thanks Ed. That makes sense.
Just to take it a bit further, this is a valid decision if the majority of
the target audience will be purchasing new hardware and the new hardware
choices are predominantly 64bit. May also be worth the financial decision
if the new product provides additional stability and thereby reduces the
support burden on MS assuming that enough people adopt.
Would that be correctly putting this into perspective? Or am I still missing
something?
>From: "Ed Crowley [MVP]"
>Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>To:
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
>Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:47:53 -0800
>
>At last year's (2004's) MVP Summit the key "feedback theme" we Exchange
>MVPs
>were asked was why customers were so slow to adopt Exchange 2003. The 75GB
>store limit with Exchange 2003 SP2 is, I believe, a key result of that
>feedback--Standard Edition customers were slow to upgrade because they
>didn't get anything much out of it, and now they get a big something. Upon
>hearing of the 64-bit-only idea (we were told that not that it was a done
>deal, just highly likely) I stressed not that there was a lack of technical
>merit, but how it was likely going to be a poor business decision. I
>believe this move to be one release too early. It will just be another
>barrier, whether real or perceived, for customers to upgrade.
>
>Ed Crowley MCSE+Internet MVP
>Freelance E-Mail Philosopher
>Protecting the world from PSTs and Bricked Backups!T
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Al Mulnick
>Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:00 AM
>To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
>
>I realize we're a bit off-topic, but...
>
>I disagree with this being a mistake. A lot of the problems with Exchange
>(I'll limit the discussion to this area, joe ;) centered around memory
>addressing. It wasn't until Windows 2003 SP1 that they reversed the
>recommendation to use PAE vs. not. When clustering, memory was always a
>limiting factor. 64bit price differential doesn't seem to be terribly
>huge,
>so I'm not sure what the objection is other than it may slow down adoption
>for those that purchased new-ish 32bit systems and don't want to upgrade
>the
>hardware yet. To that, I would say that hardware is likely the least of
>your
>costs in this equation. In the smallest of shops, that may be closer to
>equal in terms of costs. As you scale up and add features, hardware is
>almost always the cheapest resource in the equation.
>
>Can you expand into why you think 64bit only would be a problem? I'd like
>to at least understand this a bit better. If you need to, feel free to
>drop
>the note off-line so we don't drift too far OT.
>
>Al
>
>
>
> >From: "Michael B. Smith"
> >Reply-To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
> >announcement
> >Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:56:36 -0500
> >
> >It was made in the Exchange product team meetings with the Exchange
> >MVPs.
> >
> >I can assure you, our reaction was not positive. I think it is a
> >serious mistake.
> >
> >M
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of joe
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 10:03 AM
> >To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
> >announcement
> >
> >
> >Wow. I don't recall Muglia making that statement at the summit, I think
> >he would have been beaten up pretty bad....
> >
> >
> >"Muglia made several product announcements during his keynote address.
> >
> >As part of its commitment to 64-bit computing, Microsoft has been
> >delivering products that are optimized for 64-bit, including the newly
> >released SQL Server(tm) 2005, Visual Studio(r) 2005 and Virtual Server
> >2005 R2. To help customers take full advantage of the power of 64-bit
> >computing, products including Microsoft(r) Exchange Server "12,"
> >Windows Compute Cluster Server 2003, Windows Server(tm) "Longhorn"
> >Small Business Server, and Microsoft's infrastructure solution for
> >midsize businesses, code-named "Centro," will be exclusively 64-bit and
> >optimized for x64 hardware. In a future update release to Microsoft's
> >upcoming Windows Server "Longhorn" operating system, code-named Windows
> >Server "Longhorn" R2, customers will see the complete transition to
> >64-bit-only hardware, while still benefiting from 32-bit and 64-bit
> >application compatibility. For the highest-scale application and
> >database workloads, Windows Server on 64-bit Itanium-based systems will
> >continue to be the premier choice for customers for years to come."
> >
> >The LH SBS package is pretty funny too... Imagine going into all of
> >those small companies and telling them they don't have a choice but to
> >buy a new server when they want to get the new security enhancements.
> >
> >I hope MS decides to support K3 and Exchange K3 for some time. Though I
> >am already seeing a huge reduced emphasis and making K3 work right now.
> >
> >Any good non-GNU message/collaboration apps out there? Something with
> >maybe a BSD license?
> >
> > joe
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:03 AM
> >To: ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit
> >announcement
> >
> >
> >
> >Where'd you find that?
> >
> >
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Brian Desmond
> >
> >brian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> >
> >c - 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >________________________________
> >
> >From: ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >[mailto:ActiveDir-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Martin Tuip
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:33 AM
> >To: exchange-2003@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; exchange2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx;
> >ActiveDir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: [ActiveDir] Microsofts Exchange Server 12 64 bit announcement
> >
> >
> >
> >This just in:
> >
> >"As some of you are attending IT Forum in Barcelona, I want to make
> >sure those of you who are not get the latest updates. At IT Forum,
> >Microsoft will announce broad support for 64 bit across many of its
>product
>lines.
> >As part of that announcement we will be announcing that Exchange 12
> >will be 64 bit only. This is a significant decision for us and it is
> >one that we did not make lightly. Many of you and your customers may
> >have questions about why Exchange 12 will be 64 bit only and the mail
> >below provides some background on the factors that lead to this
> >decision and also the benefits from 64 bit that we are seeing in our
> >early dog food & TAP deployments."
> >
> >
> >
> >Martin Tuip
> >
> >MVP Exchange
> >
>
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