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mohanrav
Posts:82
 | | 05/22/2010 3:34 PM |
| Hi All,
We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is gonna
migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this servers as file or
Print server in a same domain without having them as a DC's?
Please advise.
--
Regards,
Mohan R
Level2-Server support Engineer.
| | | |
| DaemonRoot
Posts:122
| | 05/22/2010 4:05 PM |
| The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility. still I would check
further regarding the effects of the functional level and the interaction
with Vista/Win7.
Take a look at
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3
f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c it might give you some good ideas.
Regards,
~D~
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mohan Ravindran
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
To: activedir
Subject: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Hi All,
We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is gonna
migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this servers as file or
Print server in a same domain without having them as a DC's?
Please advise.
--
Regards,
Mohan R
Level2-Server support Engineer.
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| Bitzie
Posts:251
| | 05/23/2010 10:05 PM |
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I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a file
and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not have patches
for that.
Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="javascript:window.location.replace('ma'+'ilto:'+'activedir-owner'+'@'+'mail'+'.activedir')".org">mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mohan
Ravindran
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
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Regards,
Mohan R
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| DaemonRoot
Posts:122
| | 05/23/2010 10:15 PM |
| Yep, that is the number one thing to consider here. just like our pal Win 2K
that will die pretty soon J
~D~
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 3:04 PM
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a file and
print server. Confliker for example -- you would not have patches for that.
Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility. still I would check
further regarding the effects of the functional level and the interaction
with Vista/Win7.
Take a look at
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3
f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c it might give you some good ideas.
Regards,
~D~
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Mohan Ravindran
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
To: activedir
Subject: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Hi All,
We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is gonna
migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this servers as file or
Print server in a same domain without having them as a DC's?
Please advise.
--
Regards,
Mohan R
Level2-Server support Engineer.
| | | |
| mohanrav
Posts:82
| | 05/24/2010 12:09 PM |
| Hi Susan,
Thankyou. I need some more details here.
1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without having as
DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this system
without having any probs?
3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com> wrote:
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a file and
> print server. Confliker for example -- you would not have patches for
> that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>
> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility… still I would check
> further regarding the effects of the functional level and the interaction
> with Vista/Win7.
>
> Take a look at
> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020cit might give you some good ideas.
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
>
>
> ~D~
>
>
>
> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [
> mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>]
> *On Behalf Of *Mohan Ravindran
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
> *To:* activedir
> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is gonna
> migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this servers as file or
> Print server in a same domain without having them as a DC's?
>
>
>
> Please advise.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
>
--
Regards,
Mohan R
Level2-Server support Engineer.
| | | |
| Bitzie
Posts:251
| | 05/24/2010 4:34 PM |
| It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can
touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably
more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free
Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no
longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget
is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if
unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get
any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand
NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility… still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
| | | |
| Bitzie
Posts:251
| | 05/24/2010 4:34 PM |
| It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can
touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably
more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free
Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no
longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget
is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if
unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get
any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand
NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility… still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
| | | |
| robertsingers
Posts:571
| | 05/24/2010 10:11 PM |
| With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can
touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably
more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free
Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no
longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget
is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if
unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get
any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand
NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| bdesmond
Posts:977
| | 05/25/2010 1:21 AM |
| Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| robertsingers
Posts:571
| | 05/25/2010 2:51 AM |
| GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| ken
Posts:171
| | 05/25/2010 3:43 AM |
| How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| robertsingers
Posts:571
| | 05/25/2010 3:48 AM |
| You need print services running somewhere to host the drivers. You just don't need it everywhere for every printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:42 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| Bitzie
Posts:251
| | 05/25/2010 3:52 AM |
| Not to mention, a Windows NT box is not going to be the easiest to share
printers out from unless you have ancient printers and access to the
print driver media of vintage...what... 1998?
http://www.ricoh-usa.com/downloads/downloads.asp?tsn=Ricoh-USA&path=http://support.ricoh.com/bb/html/dr_ut_e/rc2/model/mpc40/mpc40en.htm
The Ricoh we just installed two weeks ago only goes back as far as Win2k.
That is not going to be a fun platform to find print drivers for. They
won't be on the mainstream vendor pages.
Ken Schaefer wrote:
> How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
>
> Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> brian@briandesmond.com
>
> c - 312.731.3132
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
>
> You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
>
> I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
>
> What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
>
> You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
>
> Mohan Ravindran wrote:
>
>> Hi Susan,
>>
>> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>>
>> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
>> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
>> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
>> system without having any probs?
>> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>>
>> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
>> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
>> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
>> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
>> have patches for that.
>>
>> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>>
>>> Take a look at
>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~D~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>>> Ravindran
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>>> *To:* activedir
>>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>>> them as a DC's?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please advise.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Mohan R
>>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| robertsingers
Posts:571
| | 05/25/2010 4:12 AM |
| On that note, with Ricoh kit the RCPS drivers give the users much more functionality going client to printer as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:50 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Not to mention, a Windows NT box is not going to be the easiest to share
printers out from unless you have ancient printers and access to the
print driver media of vintage...what... 1998?
http://www.ricoh-usa.com/downloads/downloads.asp?tsn=Ricoh-USA&path=http://support.ricoh.com/bb/html/dr_ut_e/rc2/model/mpc40/mpc40en.htm
The Ricoh we just installed two weeks ago only goes back as far as Win2k.
That is not going to be a fun platform to find print drivers for. They
won't be on the mainstream vendor pages.
Ken Schaefer wrote:
> How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
>
> Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
>
> Cheers
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> brian@briandesmond.com
>
> c - 312.731.3132
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
>
> You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
>
> I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
>
> What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
>
> You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
>
> Mohan Ravindran wrote:
>
>> Hi Susan,
>>
>> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>>
>> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
>> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
>> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
>> system without having any probs?
>> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>>
>> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
>> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
>> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
>> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
>> have patches for that.
>>
>> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>>
>>> Take a look at
>>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ~D~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>>> Ravindran
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>>> *To:* activedir
>>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>>> them as a DC's?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please advise.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Regards,
>>> Mohan R
>>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>>
>>
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| ken
Posts:171
| | 05/25/2010 4:41 AM |
| This I don't understand.
If I have a central print server, I can update the drivers there, and all clients printing through those queues will get updated drivers.
If client print directly to print devices, how do I "globally manage" the drivers? I'd need an alternate solution (e.g. software deployment tool) wouldn't I? Or am I misunderstanding your proposed approach?
Thanks
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 10:47 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
You need print services running somewhere to host the drivers. You just don't need it everywhere for every printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:42 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| robertsingers
Posts:571
| | 05/25/2010 4:56 AM |
| When you use GP Preferences to create the printer, you specify where to get the drivers from. It goes and pulls down the driver while creating the printer.
GPP printers aren't a completely bullet proof solution by any stretch of the imagination, but they are cost effective.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:40 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
This I don't understand.
If I have a central print server, I can update the drivers there, and all clients printing through those queues will get updated drivers.
If client print directly to print devices, how do I "globally manage" the drivers? I'd need an alternate solution (e.g. software deployment tool) wouldn't I? Or am I misunderstanding your proposed approach?
Thanks
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 10:47 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
You need print services running somewhere to host the drivers. You just don't need it everywhere for every printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:42 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| bdesmond
Posts:977
| | 05/25/2010 7:13 AM |
| Does that cause an update though or just at creation time?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:56 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
When you use GP Preferences to create the printer, you specify where to get the drivers from. It goes and pulls down the driver while creating the printer.
GPP printers aren't a completely bullet proof solution by any stretch of the imagination, but they are cost effective.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:40 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
This I don't understand.
If I have a central print server, I can update the drivers there, and all clients printing through those queues will get updated drivers.
If client print directly to print devices, how do I "globally manage" the drivers? I'd need an alternate solution (e.g. software deployment tool) wouldn't I? Or am I misunderstanding your proposed approach?
Thanks
Cheers
Ken
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 10:47 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
You need print services running somewhere to host the drivers. You just don't need it everywhere for every printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:42 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| robertsingers
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| | 05/25/2010 10:43 PM |
| That's probably a question for a MVP with access to the GPO team :-).
I should also mention that while you can distribute the drivers from a server running print services, you're limited in setting up the printer preferences on the printer you create. So if you have lots of small sites with relatively simple printer configurations it's not a big deal, but if you have MFDs or a complex arrangement of forms, you do have to do some manually configuration on the client after the printers are created. Scripting doesn't really help out either, and the registry related to individual printers is pretty much vendor specific, so registry tattooing doesn't help.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 6:11 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Does that cause an update though or just at creation time?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:56 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
When you use GP Preferences to create the printer, you specify where to get the drivers from. It goes and pulls down the driver while creating the printer.
GPP printers aren't a completely bullet proof solution by any stretch of the imagination, but they are cost effective.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:40 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
This I don't understand.
If I have a central print server, I can update the drivers there, and all clients printing through those queues will get updated drivers.
If client print directly to print devices, how do I "globally manage" the drivers? I'd need an alternate solution (e.g. software deployment tool) wouldn't I? Or am I misunderstanding your proposed approach?
Thanks
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 10:47 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
You need print services running somewhere to host the drivers. You just don't need it everywhere for every printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:42 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| darren
Posts:386
| | 05/25/2010 11:08 PM |
| I'll see if I can find out. One would think that if you are using a Replace Action on the GPP printer, then it would pull the driver each time. But that is simply a guess in the absence of the ability to test that at the moment.
Darren
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:42 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
That's probably a question for a MVP with access to the GPO team :-).
I should also mention that while you can distribute the drivers from a server running print services, you're limited in setting up the printer preferences on the printer you create. So if you have lots of small sites with relatively simple printer configurations it's not a big deal, but if you have MFDs or a complex arrangement of forms, you do have to do some manually configuration on the client after the printers are created. Scripting doesn't really help out either, and the registry related to individual printers is pretty much vendor specific, so registry tattooing doesn't help.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 6:11 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Does that cause an update though or just at creation time?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:56 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
When you use GP Preferences to create the printer, you specify where to get the drivers from. It goes and pulls down the driver while creating the printer.
GPP printers aren't a completely bullet proof solution by any stretch of the imagination, but they are cost effective.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:40 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
This I don't understand.
If I have a central print server, I can update the drivers there, and all clients printing through those queues will get updated drivers.
If client print directly to print devices, how do I "globally manage" the drivers? I'd need an alternate solution (e.g. software deployment tool) wouldn't I? Or am I misunderstanding your proposed approach?
Thanks
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 10:47 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
You need print services running somewhere to host the drivers. You just don't need it everywhere for every printer.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Ken Schaefer
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:42 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
Cheers
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> Hi Susan,
>
> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
>
> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> system without having any probs?
> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
>
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
>
> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> have patches for that.
>
> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
>>
>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
>>
>> Take a look at
>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
>> it might give you some good ideas.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~D~
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
>> Ravindran
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
>> *To:* activedir
>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
>> them as a DC's?
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise.
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Mohan R
>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Mohan R
> Level2-Server support Engineer.
>
>
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| Such as?
I'm not a regular user of any Ricoh printer, but I've installed several
Ricoh printers, using RPCS, pointed at queues on Win2003 servers, and
never had anyone complain. Do the features also work in this manner, or
are they features that many users would never notice?
You've gotten me curious, I might have to go do some testing tomorrow.
---
Andrew Michael Stemen
andrew@andrewmstemen.net
On Tue, 25 May 2010 15:11 +1200, "Robert Singers"
<Robert.Singers@dbh.govt.nz> wrote:
> On that note, with Ricoh kit the RCPS drivers give the users much more
> functionality going client to printer as well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
> Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 2:50 p.m.
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
>
> Not to mention, a Windows NT box is not going to be the easiest to share
> printers out from unless you have ancient printers and access to the
> print driver media of vintage...what... 1998?
>
> http://www.ricoh-usa.com/downloads/downloads.asp?tsn=Ricoh-USA&path=http://support.ricoh.com/bb/html/dr_ut_e/rc2/model/mpc40/mpc40en.htm
> The Ricoh we just installed two weeks ago only goes back as far as Win2k.
>
> That is not going to be a fun platform to find print drivers for. They
> won't be on the mainstream vendor pages.
>
> Ken Schaefer wrote:
> > How do you "globally manage drivers" using this decentralised model? Surely you need an alternate driver delivery mechanism?
> >
> > Many billing/quoting are not going to work with this type of decentralised model either
> >
> > Cheers
> > Ken
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 9:49 AM
> > To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
> >
> > GPP negates none of those. If your front line support also routinely remote controls machines, you don't lose any manageability decentralising your printers.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:19 p.m.
> > To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
> >
> > Other than the ability to control who can print where, manage drivers and forms globally, get printer status centrally, etc...?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Brian Desmond
> > brian@briandesmond.com
> >
> > c - 312.731.3132
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Robert Singers
> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 4:09 PM
> > To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] WinNT
> >
> > With GPP and networked printers there is actually no reason to have a print server. You can create the queues on each of the clients. Also a lot of modern multi-function devices have SMB print queues built in.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Susan Bradley
> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 May 2010 3:33 a.m.
> > To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> > Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] WinNT
> >
> > It's not supported as an OS anymore. It gets no security updates.
> >
> > You want to make it a file server (where stupid users and humans can touch it? Infect it? Bring risk into your network?
> >
> > I wouldn't use it at all period. Okay I'm small and I have probably more resources than you but I'd rather you stand up a supported free Linux distro as a file and print server than stand up an out of date/no longer supported/ no longer getting ANY security updates if your budget is that tight.
> >
> > What's the point of trying to see it in SCCM for patch maintenance if unless you pay the big bucks for custom security patches it doesn't get any anymore?
> >
> > You should only run it if there's some line of business app that demand NT. File and printing is not such a line of business app.
> >
> > Mohan Ravindran wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Susan,
> >>
> >> Thankyou. I need some more details here.
> >>
> >> 1) Will i be able to use the same edition in the *domain* without
> >> having as DC or shud i use it in a seperate workgroup?
> >> 2) If i use this as file/print server users will b able to reach this
> >> system without having any probs?
> >> 3) I cant see this systm in SCCM for patch maintenance?
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Susan Bradley <susan@sbslinks.com
> >> <mailto:susan@sbslinks.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think you might want to evaluate if sticking Windows NT --
> >> unsupported/unpatchable/no longer getting security updates -- as a
> >> file and print server. Confliker for example -- you would not
> >> have patches for that.
> >>
> >> Castillo, Daniel (Directory Services) wrote:
> >>
> >>> The PDC FSMO is here for backwards compatibility... still I would
> >>> check further regarding the effects of the functional level and
> >>> the interaction with Vista/Win7.
> >>>
> >>> Take a look at
> >>> http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en/winserverMigration/thread/b6a3f0d9-3ee0-45b4-b8ab-4986b4d0020c
> >>> it might give you some good ideas.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ~D~
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> >>> <mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
> >>> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Mohan
> >>> Ravindran
> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 22, 2010 8:33 AM
> >>> *To:* activedir
> >>> *Subject:* [ActiveDir] WinNT
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We have couple of WinNT server licenses and our organization is
> >>> gonna migrate to WS 2008. Will i be able to still use this
> >>> servers as file or Print server in a same domain without having
> >>> them as a DC's?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please advise.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Mohan R
> >>> Level2-Server support Engineer.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards,
> >> Mohan R
> >> Level2-Server support Engineer.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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