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r00tb00t
Posts:0
 | | 07/07/2010 10:56 AM |
| The scenario is a small network with only one DC os it is everything, GC, PDC etc. This DC needs formatting as its partitions are all the wrong sizes and need re-mapping. Is there anyway this DC can be formatted, repartitioned and re-set up without ruining the whole network?
There is another server in this network, an Exchange 2007 SP1 server. My thoughts are that even though the DC is going to be set up exactly how it was, same domain name, remake all the same users and GPs etc, every single machine will need rebinding and every mailbox will need recreating because the SIDs of the accounts of users and computers will no longer be valid?
Is there a way of preserving the domain so that a format of the physical server can be completed and then the domain restored?
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| sdelrio
Posts:14
 | | 07/07/2010 11:14 AM |
| A system State Backup should help , however I think that the best approach would be to put an additional Domain controller (Maybe in a VM), move all the roles , point all the machines to that DC, and when all is working , you can go ahead to demote the other server. Once it is finished , you can promote the server again , and move all the roles to this server.
With this option , you would not have a deadtime and it is the more secure option.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:58 AM, James Bensley <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry, just to clarify its a Windows 2003 R2 Standard x64 DC. > > -- > Regards, > James. > > http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world; Those who understand > Vigesimal, and J others...? > >
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| r00tb00t
Posts:0
 | | 07/07/2010 11:19 AM |
| I had contemplated this options but we are trying to source another server to host the VM in the first place 
I think I would backup the system state, format the server and restore the data (im reading through this at the minute http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc740010(WS.10).aspx) but I'm wondering what effect this will have on Exchange and the bound machines if I don't go down the second DC route?
Does anyone know?
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| bijubabuk
Posts:109
 | | 07/07/2010 11:39 AM |
| MS recommendation to have minimum 2 DCs for a Domain, and considering that you have exchange in your organization it won't be such a bad idea afterall.
Also there are some partition resizing tool available over internet which can extend partitions online. I think MS diskpart.exe also does the same but it require the disk to be dynamic disk I think (I don't remember if it can use to extend Primary partition)
And it's always good to take a backup before you do such an activity
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From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of sebastiandelrio@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 3:43 PM To: activedir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting
A system State Backup should help , however I think that the best approach would be to put an additional Domain controller (Maybe in a VM), move all the roles , point all the machines to that DC, and when all is working , you can go ahead to demote the other server. Once it is finished , you can promote the server again , and move all the roles to this server.
With this option , you would not have a deadtime and it is the more secure option.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:58 AM, James Bensley <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry, just to clarify its a Windows 2003 R2 Standard x64 DC.
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| lovesouthafrica
Posts:75
 | | 07/07/2010 1:16 PM |
| Hi James
I would strongly recommend that you not go this route. Too many potential pitfalls. I would propose this solution if a VM hosted solution is not available.
1.) Grab a reasonable powerful pc with 1-2GB of RAM on it. A laptop will suffice in a pinch but rather a workstation 2.) Install Server 2003 R2 onto it 3.) DCPromo this server. 4.) Make it a global catalog server 5.)Install DNS, WINS etc on the Server. Probably DHCP as well 6.) Move all master roles, or FSMO roles, to the new server. 7.) Make the new server the primary DNS and WINS server for the network 8.) Make sure that all works 9.) DCPromo original server down to a member server 10.) Remove original server from the domain. 11.) Format and re-install server with correct partitions etc. Install DNS and Wins etc 12.) dcpromo server to a dc and GC 13.) Move FSMO roles back to the server.
If you can I would strongly recommend leaving the workstation in place as a DC. As Biju stated MS Best practices always require at least 2 dc's for each domain. Also Exchange requires a GC for correct operation. That's why I recommend that the second DC also be a GC.
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I had contemplated this options but we are trying to source another server to host the VM in the first place 
I think I would backup the system state, format the server and restore the data (im reading through this at the minute http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc740010(WS.10).aspx) but I'm wondering what effect this will have on Exchange and the bound machines if I don't go down the second DC route?
Does anyone know?
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| r00tb00t
Posts:0
 | | 07/07/2010 1:30 PM |
| Hi peter,
Yes the more I read the more I am think about either finding a VM host or fishing out a workstation for temporary use; I will see what I can do.
Assuming I get something, can you have two GCs in one domain? I.e. If I get a second box and DCPromo it up to a member server for the existing domain, then make it a GC, there will be no temporary conflict of having two active GC servers or can you transfer the role of GC its self so there is only ever one GC?
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| bdesmond
Posts:977
 | | 07/07/2010 1:51 PM |
| The global catalog isn't a role per se and you can definitely have more than one. It's actually a good idea generally.
All that said what's so screwed up with the partitions on the box that all this is necessary?
Brian Desmond from my phone
On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:30 AM, "James Bensley" <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi peter, > > Yes the more I read the more I am think about either finding a VM host > or fishing out a workstation for temporary use; I will see what I can > do. > > Assuming I get something, can you have two GCs in one domain? I.e. If > I get a second box and DCPromo it up to a member server for the > existing domain, then make it a GC, there will be no temporary > conflict of having two active GC servers or can you transfer the role > of GC its self so there is only ever one GC? > > > -- > Regards, > James. > > http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world; Those who understand > Vigesimal, and J others...? > >
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| lovesouthafrica
Posts:75
 | | 07/07/2010 2:28 PM |
| There is no issue with multiple GC's at all. In fact it is recommended. I have nine myself in my environment.
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-----Original Message----- From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of James Bensley Sent: 07 July 2010 14:29 To: activedir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting
Hi peter,
Yes the more I read the more I am think about either finding a VM host or fishing out a workstation for temporary use; I will see what I can do.
Assuming I get something, can you have two GCs in one domain? I.e. If I get a second box and DCPromo it up to a member server for the existing domain, then make it a GC, there will be no temporary conflict of having two active GC servers or can you transfer the role of GC its self so there is only ever one GC?
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| pbbergs
Posts:281
 | | 07/07/2010 2:44 PM |
| " All that said what's so screwed up with the partitions on the box that all this is necessary? " Yeah, I wondered that as well.
James, What exactly is going on within your environment. If you detailed it there might things to do that can make it easier for you.
Thanks
Paul
-----Original Message----- From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Brian Desmond Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:50 AM To: <activedir@mail.activedir.org> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting
The global catalog isn't a role per se and you can definitely have more than one. It's actually a good idea generally.
All that said what's so screwed up with the partitions on the box that all this is necessary?
Brian Desmond from my phone
On Jul 7, 2010, at 8:30 AM, "James Bensley" <jwbensley@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi peter, > > Yes the more I read the more I am think about either finding a VM host > or fishing out a workstation for temporary use; I will see what I can > do. > > Assuming I get something, can you have two GCs in one domain? I.e. If > I get a second box and DCPromo it up to a member server for the > existing domain, then make it a GC, there will be no temporary > conflict of having two active GC servers or can you transfer the role > of GC its self so there is only ever one GC? > > > -- > Regards, > James. > > http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world; Those who understand > Vigesimal, and J others...? > >
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| Bitzie
Posts:251
 | | 07/07/2010 2:46 PM |
| Alternative view from the SBS world where you don't reformat the DC, just repartition it.
1. back it up, try gparted or other disk partitioning tools to expand the partitions.
2. back it up and use Storagecraft to restore it and expand the partitions in the process.
Sebastian del Rio wrote: > A system State Backup should help , however I think that the best > approach would be to put an additional Domain controller (Maybe in a > VM), move all the roles , point all the machines to that DC, and when > all is working , you can go ahead to demote the other server. Once it > is finished , you can promote the server again , and move all the > roles to this server. > > With this option , you would not have a deadtime and it is the more > secure option. > > > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:58 AM, James Bensley <jwbensley@gmail.com > <mailto:jwbensley@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Sorry, just to clarify its a Windows 2003 R2 Standard x64 DC. > > -- > Regards, > James. > > http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ > > There are 10 kinds of people in the world; Those who understand > Vigesimal, and J others...? > >
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| r00tb00t
Posts:0
 | | 07/07/2010 3:04 PM |
| Well thanks to all for clearing that stuff up about CGs; I assume they will store the same information but provide redundancy so if I set up a second DC, the first one can go down without affecting the users and I can repartition it freely?
Brian; the C: drive is out of space as in an other partition, but others have loads left, poor planning at initial deployment of the server is to blame but this was about 3 years ago and since then unexpected growth has occurred over %100 so I partly take responsibility for the poor planning, and partly don't 
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| TG
Posts:298
 | | 07/07/2010 3:39 PM |
| Granted, you need the second Domain Controller regardless.
But if you need to buy some time, there are a few things you can do (maybe you have already done them, but just in case). You can move the page file to a partition with more space. I believe you can move the dit file as well.
Thank you, Tony.
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From: "James Bensley" <jwbensley@gmail.com> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org Date: 07/07/2010 09:03 AM Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting Sent by: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
Well thanks to all for clearing that stuff up about CGs; I assume they will store the same information but provide redundancy so if I set up a second DC, the first one can go down without affecting the users and I can repartition it freely?
Brian; the C: drive is out of space as in an other partition, but others have loads left, poor planning at initial deployment of the server is to blame but this was about 3 years ago and since then unexpected growth has occurred over %100 so I partly take responsibility for the poor planning, and partly don't 
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| r00tb00t
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 | | 07/08/2010 11:18 AM |
| Thanks for the suggestions Tony; yeah I have moved the page file and some other bits and bobs. Didn't know you could move the AD DB file though?
Can anyone clarify I have this procedure correct and in the correct order; (I've got a second server)
1- Set up the second server 2- Join to domain 3- DCPromo up to a DC 4- Somehow set up GC as well (This bit confuses be, after using DCPromo, how can I set up GC on here as well and set it to replicate from the existing GC on the first DC, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing?) 5-Migrate DNS across (DHCP is else where) - (Again, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing) 6-Migrate across FSMO roles (as there is currently a single DC in a single domain in a single forest I would be correct in assuming all five FSMO roles are on the existing DC and need migrating? Also again, can anyone point me to a Technet article?) 7-Now I am free to decommission the first DC yes? As in I can shut it down and everything should continue to run smoothly? 8-Then repeat the process with the first DC, set up it, bind to the domain, DCPromo, reinstate the GC role, migrate DNS back across, migrate FSMO roles etc?
Also, seeing as I am being gifted with two servers I might as well get what I can in terms of redundancy. What would be a good course of action here; i.e. leave DNS running on the second DC as a backup but reinstate the original DC as the primary DNS server, and with the GC, reinstate the original server as the GC but keep the second one as a replica for redundancy; can any FSMO roles be replicated to the second DC so that should the first one go off line everything can run temporarily?
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| lovesouthafrica
Posts:75
 | | 07/08/2010 11:41 AM |
| Hi James
Looks good
1.) Make a DC a GC by selecting the setting under NTDS settings in Sites and Services
2.) FSMO roles moving: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/324801
3.) Install DNS on new server. If the zone is set to replicate to all DC's it should do this automatically
4.) Make sure new server is the primary DNS server in you IP address settings in DHCP
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Thanks for the suggestions Tony; yeah I have moved the page file and some other bits and bobs. Didn't know you could move the AD DB file though?
Can anyone clarify I have this procedure correct and in the correct order; (I've got a second server)
1- Set up the second server 2- Join to domain 3- DCPromo up to a DC 4- Somehow set up GC as well (This bit confuses be, after using DCPromo, how can I set up GC on here as well and set it to replicate from the existing GC on the first DC, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing?) 5-Migrate DNS across (DHCP is else where) - (Again, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing) 6-Migrate across FSMO roles (as there is currently a single DC in a single domain in a single forest I would be correct in assuming all five FSMO roles are on the existing DC and need migrating? Also again, can anyone point me to a Technet article?) 7-Now I am free to decommission the first DC yes? As in I can shut it down and everything should continue to run smoothly? 8-Then repeat the process with the first DC, set up it, bind to the domain, DCPromo, reinstate the GC role, migrate DNS back across, migrate FSMO roles etc?
Also, seeing as I am being gifted with two servers I might as well get what I can in terms of redundancy. What would be a good course of action here; i.e. leave DNS running on the second DC as a backup but reinstate the original DC as the primary DNS server, and with the GC, reinstate the original server as the GC but keep the second one as a replica for redundancy; can any FSMO roles be replicated to the second DC so that should the first one go off line everything can run temporarily?
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| pbbergs
Posts:281
 | | 07/08/2010 1:29 PM |
| How to decommission a dc http://www.pbbergs.com/windows/articles/DecommissionDC.html
Thanks
Paul
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of James Bensley Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:16 AM To: activedir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting
Thanks for the suggestions Tony; yeah I have moved the page file and some other bits and bobs. Didn't know you could move the AD DB file though?
Can anyone clarify I have this procedure correct and in the correct order; (I've got a second server)
1- Set up the second server 2- Join to domain 3- DCPromo up to a DC 4- Somehow set up GC as well (This bit confuses be, after using DCPromo, how can I set up GC on here as well and set it to replicate from the existing GC on the first DC, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing?) 5-Migrate DNS across (DHCP is else where) - (Again, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing) 6-Migrate across FSMO roles (as there is currently a single DC in a single domain in a single forest I would be correct in assuming all five FSMO roles are on the existing DC and need migrating? Also again, can anyone point me to a Technet article?) 7-Now I am free to decommission the first DC yes? As in I can shut it down and everything should continue to run smoothly? 8-Then repeat the process with the first DC, set up it, bind to the domain, DCPromo, reinstate the GC role, migrate DNS back across, migrate FSMO roles etc?
Also, seeing as I am being gifted with two servers I might as well get what I can in terms of redundancy. What would be a good course of action here; i.e. leave DNS running on the second DC as a backup but reinstate the original DC as the primary DNS server, and with the GC, reinstate the original server as the GC but keep the second one as a replica for redundancy; can any FSMO roles be replicated to the second DC so that should the first one go off line everything can run temporarily?
-- Regards, James.
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| kevinrjames
Posts:35
 | | 07/08/2010 5:40 PM |
| Should already know if the DC has Certificate Services on it, but better to check for it in advance.
/kj
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Paul Bergson (ALLETE) Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:27 AM To: activedir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting
How to decommission a dc
http://www.pbbergs.com/windows/articles/DecommissionDC.html
Thanks
Paul
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of James Bensley Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:16 AM To: activedir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] DC Formatting
Thanks for the suggestions Tony; yeah I have moved the page file and some other bits and bobs. Didn't know you could move the AD DB file though?
Can anyone clarify I have this procedure correct and in the correct order; (I've got a second server)
1- Set up the second server
2- Join to domain
3- DCPromo up to a DC
4- Somehow set up GC as well (This bit confuses be, after using DCPromo, how can I set up GC on here as well and set it to replicate from the existing GC on the first DC, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing?)
5-Migrate DNS across (DHCP is else where) - (Again, is there a Technet article on this to save you all some typing)
6-Migrate across FSMO roles (as there is currently a single DC in a single domain in a single forest I would be correct in assuming all five FSMO roles are on the existing DC and need migrating? Also again, can anyone point me to a Technet article?)
7-Now I am free to decommission the first DC yes? As in I can shut it down and everything should continue to run smoothly?
8-Then repeat the process with the first DC, set up it, bind to the domain, DCPromo, reinstate the GC role, migrate DNS back across, migrate FSMO roles etc?
Also, seeing as I am being gifted with two servers I might as well get what I can in terms of redundancy. What would be a good course of action here; i.e. leave DNS running on the second DC as a backup but reinstate the original DC as the primary DNS server, and with the GC, reinstate the original server as the GC but keep the second one as a replica for redundancy; can any FSMO roles be replicated to the second DC so that should the first one go off line everything can run temporarily?
-- Regards, James.
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