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RickSheikh
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| Hi Joe - Jan De Clarcq revisits this topic today as part of answering an FAQ
at WinITPro (
http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/active-directory/Q-How-can-I-force-AdminSDHolder-permissions-to-be-enforced-.aspx)
and describes the SDPROP as a process that not only triggers the ACLs fix on
child objects (in terms of inheritance) across the board for all objects but
also something that gets triggered from the AdminSDHolder for all critical
AD security groups and accounts and accomplishes the same thing as
FixUpInheritance (03)/ RunProtectAdminGroupsTask (08 R2) . While your blog
entry / your reach out to John Policelli regarding correcting his technet
article and his preceding blog entry / my mentioning of his TEC2010 session
here, has driven the "correction" in both places. It appears that we may
just have another place as source of confusion revolving around this topic -
as WindowsITPro is a renowned portal with lots of good articles/content from
some very knowledgeable authors. Or, you can do a follow up on your blog
entry and demystifying the SDPROP 
Nonetheless, Jan's article today does add (for me) two things to learn i.e
the specific rights that are required to run either process in both 03 and
08 environments.
Thanks,
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:16 PM, joe <listmail@joeware.net> wrote:
> I didn’t have time to chase through this whole thread as I am packing to go
> to the Flying Pig in Cincinnati but I did write up a blog article on his
> technet article some time ago - http://blog.joeware.net/2009/09/08/1693/
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> He pinged me later saying he fixed it but I haven’t had time to go back and
> look at it.
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> joe
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> --
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> O'Reilly Active Directory Fourth Edition -
> http://www.joeware.net/win/ad4e.htm
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> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Sheikh
> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 28, 2010 7:48 PM
>
> *To:* activedir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] AdminSDHolder and SDPROP
>
>
>
> John Policelli's session on this very topic today at TEC took a complete
> different stance on identifying SDPROP as unrelated process (noted as only
> applicable to fixing ACLs when an object is moved from one location to
> another) to the AdminSDHolder and the unnamed process that runs every 60
> mintues that matches the Security Descriptors that are defined on the
> AdminSDHolder container. Interestingly he still had his article as a
> reference on the last slide. He talked about how so many people have
> misconceptions about the processes, I feel his article and is one source of
> that confusion, if you were there then you know what I am referring to,
> otherwise we will wait for the official slide deck to be published. I think
> that article needs modification.
>
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.09.sdadminholder.aspx
>
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Rick Sheikh <ricksheikh@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Interesting, because Policelli's article probably does not take Windows
> Server 2008 into consideration and thus only shows how to kick off SDPROP,
> so my question then becomes, what does kicking off SDPROP (via
> FixUpInheritance action) in pre-08 NOT do that this
> runProtectAdminGroupsTask does ?
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> On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 2:25 AM, Lee Flight <lef@leicester.ac.uk> wrote:
>
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> Note that runProtectAdminGroupsTask rootDSE modification is new in WS08 R2
> so you would need that OS version on your PDCe to be able to use this.
>
> Lee Flight
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> On Tue, 22 Sep 2009, Brian Desmond wrote:
>
> runProtectAdminGroupsTask is the RootDSE action you want to kick off the
> adminsdholder stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> brian@briandesmond.com
>
> c - 312.731.3132
>
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 4:35 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] User Accounts not inheriting permissions
>
> Interesting insight that Brian. In order to test the theory, I had disabled
> the inheritance on a protected account and by running the 'FixUpInheritance'
> via LDP the inheritance came back which I thought was the process as
> described in the article. i.e (how I understood it be) that the
> AdminSDholder has the law and Security Descriptor Propogation (SDPROP)
> process enforces it. So how wrong is the article ?
>
> How can the AdminSDholder be kicked off and what does it do ?
>
> Is there a way to run the both ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Brian Desmond <brian@briandesmond.com
> <mailto:brian@briandesmond.com>> wrote:
>
> That article is wrong unfortunately.
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>
> Sdprop and adminsdholder are two separate threads and kicking off one
> doesn't kick the other off.
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> brian@briandesmond.com<mailto:brian@briandesmond.com>
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> c - 312.731.3132
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> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org> [mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
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> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 3:07 PM
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> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:activedir@mail.activedir.org>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] User Accounts not inheriting permissions
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> Additionally, the SDPROP process can be initiated via LDP.exe
>
> http://technet.microsoft..com/en-us/magazine/2009.09..sdadminholder.aspx<
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/2009.09.sdadminholder.aspx>
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> On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Paul Bergson (ALLETE) <
> pbergson@allete.com<mailto:pbergson@allete.com>> wrote:
>
> If you have a user that is not inheriting permissions and even if you
> change the inheritance it magically resets itself back to not inheriting, it
> is the work of the adminSDHolder process of protected users. If you examine
> the user(s) in question and see if they have any special built in group
> membership they are probably a member. You have to remove them from the
> protected groups (Such as account operators).
>
>
>
> Paul Williams has a nice little article on this at:
>
>
> http://www.msresource.net/knowledge_base/articles/info:_protected_groups_and_the_adminsdholder_object.html
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>
>
> If you go through the groups and notice they aren't any members of any of
> these groups, check for the group membership to "Replicator Group". I have
> run into this in the past, I believe it is from the NT days. It also will
> mimick the same issue. I believe it to is from an old Microsoft NT4 group
> and I submitted a document change a number of years but it was never
> accepted. So I'm not sure if the location had updated the protected groups
> on its site or what, but just keep an eye out for that group as well.
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> Thanks
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> Paul
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> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org> [mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Mier, Nick
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>
> Sent: Friday, September 18, 2009 3:47 AM
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> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:activedir@mail.activedir.org>
>
>
>
> Subject: [ActiveDir] User Accounts not inheriting permissions
>
>
>
> Good morning all,
>
>
>
> Have a strange problem in AD. Our forest root domain holds many of our
> user accounts. While going through a reorganisation of OU structure I came
> across a curious issue with some user accounts. We have a scheduled task
> that runs daily to populate fields in AD user accounts from a database of
> company details. This failed for some user accounts, when I checked if the
> service account that runs the task had permissions to their accounts it
> didn't.. I then noticed that these accounts were not inheriting
> permissions. I applied the inheriting permissions and I thought that would
> be it. The task failed again and when I looked back at the accounts they
> had inheriting permissions unticked again. There are no other tasks running
> that I know of that could do this, no strange group policies being applied
> either, and it doesn't happen to every user account in the OU, just maybe 4
> or 5 out of 30.. Any ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick
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