| Author | Messages | |
mcasey
Posts:49
 | | 06/24/2009 7:43 PM |
| Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
| | | |
| florian
Posts:80
| | 06/24/2009 8:23 PM |
| Matt,
Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
Cheers,
florian
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
| | | |
| DonH
Posts:55
| | 06/25/2009 12:32 AM |
| ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
Don Hacherl
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Matt,
Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
Cheers,
florian
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
| | | |
| scharique
Posts:0
| | 06/25/2009 7:58 PM |
| Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding modifying
the ANR list in schema ?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org> wrote:
> ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
> another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
> searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really
> worried
> you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
> employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If
> you've
> never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
> or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it,
> then
> you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
>
> Don Hacherl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Matt,
>
> Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
> costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
> queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
>
> Cheers,
> florian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Hi all,
> I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
> list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
> for us is a pretty common search criteria..
>
> Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
> considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
> out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
>
> -matt
>
>
>
| | | |
| bdesmond
Posts:843
| | 06/25/2009 8:02 PM |
| It's a searchFlags bit - I think bit 3.
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:58 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding modifying the ANR list in schema ?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org<mailto:don@hacherl.org>> wrote:
ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
Don Hacherl
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org<mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org>] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:activedir@mail.activedir.org>
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Matt,
Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
Cheers,
florian
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com<mailto:mcasey726@gmail.com>>
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org<mailto:ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org>
Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
| | | |
| florian
Posts:80
| | 06/25/2009 8:08 PM |
| Howdie!
If you have the Schema Management MMC snapin installed (schmmgmt), you can
open the MMC, browse "Attributes" and choose employeeID (or whatever
attribute you choose). It's a checkbox there: "Ambiguous Name Resolution
(ANR)".
Cheers,
Florian
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
Sent: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 20:58
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding modifying
the ANR list in schema ?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org> wrote:
ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
Don Hacherl
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Matt,
Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
Cheers,
florian
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
| | | |
| mcasey
Posts:49
| | 06/25/2009 8:10 PM |
| The googlz led me here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=xfcrYBDK8A4C&pg=PA55&dq=active+directory+ambiguous+name+resolution&lr=
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Brian Desmond<brian@briandesmond.com> wrote:
> It’s a searchFlags bit – I think bit 3.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> brian@briandesmond.com
>
>
>
> c - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:58 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
>
>
> Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding modifying
> the ANR list in schema ?
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org> wrote:
>
> ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
> another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
> searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
> you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
> employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
> never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
> or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
> you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
>
> Don Hacherl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Matt,
>
> Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
> costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
> queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
>
> Cheers,
> florian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Hi all,
> I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
> list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
> for us is a pretty common search criteria..
>
> Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
> considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
> out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
>
> -matt
>
>
| | | |
| bdesmond
Posts:843
| | 06/25/2009 8:15 PM |
| Yar. I believe I upgraded that screenshot in the 4th Edition though. 
Thanks,
Brian Desmond
brian@briandesmond.com
c - 312.731.3132
Active Directory, 4th Ed - http://www.briandesmond.com/ad4/
Microsoft MVP - https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Matt Casey
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 2:09 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
The googlz led me here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=xfcrYBDK8A4C&pg=PA55&dq=active+directory+ambiguous+name+resolution&lr=
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Brian Desmond<brian@briandesmond.com> wrote:
> It's a searchFlags bit - I think bit 3.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brian Desmond
>
> brian@briandesmond.com
>
>
>
> c - 312.731.3132
>
>
>
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 1:58 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
>
>
> Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding modifying
> the ANR list in schema ?
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org> wrote:
>
> ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
> another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
> searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
> you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
> employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
> never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
> or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
> you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
>
> Don Hacherl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Matt,
>
> Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
> costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
> queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
>
> Cheers,
> florian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Hi all,
> I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
> list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
> for us is a pretty common search criteria..
>
> Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
> considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
> out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
>
> -matt
>
>
| | | |
| scharique
Posts:0
| | 06/25/2009 9:25 PM |
| Thanks,
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Florian Frommherz
<florian@frickelsoft.net>wrote:
> Howdie!
>
>
>
> If you have the Schema Management MMC snapin installed (schmmgmt), you can
> open the MMC, browse “Attributes” and choose employeeID (or whatever
> attribute you choose). It’s a checkbox there: “Ambiguous Name Resolution
> (ANR)”.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Florian
>
>
>
> *From:* activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org [mailto:
> activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] *On Behalf Of *Rick Sheikh
> *Sent:* Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 20:58
> *To:* activedir@mail.activedir.org
> *Subject:* Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
>
>
> Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding
> modifying the ANR list in schema ?
>
> On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org> wrote:
>
> ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
> another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
> searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really
> worried
> you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
> employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If
> you've
> never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
> or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it,
> then
> you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
>
> Don Hacherl
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
> [mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
> To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Matt,
>
> Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
> costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
> queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
>
> Cheers,
> florian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
> Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
> To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
> Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
>
> Hi all,
> I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
> list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
> for us is a pretty common search criteria..
>
> Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
> considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
> out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
>
> -matt
>
>
>
| | | |
| florian
Posts:80
| | 06/25/2009 9:55 PM |
| Be sure to have the "indexed" checkbox ticked, too as that enables the ANR
checkbox.
Florian
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
Sent: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 22:23
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Thanks,
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Florian Frommherz <florian@frickelsoft.net>
wrote:
Howdie!
If you have the Schema Management MMC snapin installed (schmmgmt), you can
open the MMC, browse "Attributes" and choose employeeID (or whatever
attribute you choose). It's a checkbox there: "Ambiguous Name Resolution
(ANR)".
Cheers,
Florian
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sheikh
Sent: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 20:58
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Interesting topic this, is there an how-to I can look at regarding modifying
the ANR list in schema ?
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Don Hacherl <don@hacherl.org> wrote:
ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
Don Hacherl
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Matt,
Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
Cheers,
florian
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
| | | |
| DonH
Posts:55
| | 06/25/2009 10:24 PM |
| If the attribute isn't indexed then AD does not include it in ANR, even
though the ANR bit is set. I believe that the UI won't let you
check/uncheck one box unless the other is checked/unchecked appropriately,
although I don't remember for sure. (I always used LDP, and never quite
mastered the admin UI.)
Don
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:08 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Don,
thanks for your input. That makes sense.
Does that hold true for all kinds of attributes or is performance
"decreased" if I added a non-indexed attribute (assuming it isn't
auto-indexed once I add it to the ANR)?
Thanks,
Florian
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Don Hacherl
Sent: Donnerstag, 25. Juni 2009 01:29
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
ANR is traditionally only expensive when it returns lots of hits. Adding
another attribute that has no value overlaps with other attributes being
searched should not measurably affect performance. If you're really worried
you could always remove office number from the ANR list when you add
employeeID, thus keeping the number of indices examined constant. If you've
never been concerned that office number (or physicalDeliveryOfficeLocation,
or whatever it's called) is on the ANR list when almost no one uses it, then
you don't have to be concerned about employeeID either.
Don Hacherl
-----Original Message-----
From: activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org
[mailto:activedir-owner@mail.activedir.org] On Behalf Of Florian Frommherz
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:21 PM
To: activedir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Matt,
Adding an additional attribute to the anr might slightly increase query
costs of the already expensive anr. I would look into re-designing the
queries and the apps rather than modifying the anr set.
Cheers,
florian
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt Casey <mcasey726@gmail.com>
Sent: Mittwoch, 24. Juni 2009 20:41
To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org
Subject: [ActiveDir] Adding attributes to ANR
Hi all,
I was looking for some feedback on adding additional attributes to the
list matched by ANR. I have been considering adding employeeID which
for us is a pretty common search criteria..
Let me know any pro's, con's, or lessons learned that should be
considered before doing this. Has anyone encountered apps that flake
out, or is this typically a no-brainer? Thanks in advance!
-matt
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